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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] Rust
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:49:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <687939f307792dc894f53a1238537dc799b1e437.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANiq72nNKvFqQs9Euy=_McfcHf0-dC_oPB3r8ZJii2L3sfVjaw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sat, 2022-06-18 at 22:33 +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> The effort to add Rust support to the kernel is ongoing. There has
> been progress in different areas during the last year, and there are
> several topics that could benefit from discussion:
> 
>   - Dividing the `kernel` crate into pieces, dependency management
> between internal crates, writing crates in the rest of the kernel
> tree, etc.
> 
>   - Whether to allow dependencies on external crates and vendoring of
> useful third-party crates.
> 
>   - Toolchain requirements in the future and status of Rust unstable features.
> 

This one is a constant pain point for me in another project which
combines C and Rust code. We are constantly being told "of *course*
that doesn't work; you haven't updated your Rust toolchain for a whole
week!"

It also makes bisection basically impossible at times, because during
bisection we find that older code doesn't build with the *new*
toolchain either.

I think we need to set *very* clear rules and expectations about how
many times a decade it's permitted to require a new rust toolchain.


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-21  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-18 20:33 [TECH TOPIC] Rust Miguel Ojeda
2022-06-18 20:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-18 20:42   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-18 20:44   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-18 20:44     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-18 20:49   ` Miguel Ojeda
2022-06-19  6:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-19  6:13     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-19 10:04     ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 10:04       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 12:56       ` James Bottomley
2022-06-19 12:56         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2022-06-19 13:19         ` Jens Axboe
2022-06-19 13:19           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Jens Axboe
2022-06-19 13:53           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 13:53             ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 14:27             ` James Bottomley
2022-06-19 14:27               ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2022-06-19 14:45               ` [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Are we becoming too fearful? [was Re: [TECH TOPIC] Rust] James Bottomley
2022-06-19 14:45                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2022-06-22  9:59                 ` Linus Walleij
2022-06-22 10:57                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-22 12:01                     ` Linus Walleij
2022-06-22 12:09                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-22 23:13                 ` NeilBrown
2022-06-23 11:37                   ` James Bottomley
2022-06-25 12:03                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2022-06-25 11:45               ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Rust Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2022-06-25 14:15                 ` James Bottomley
2022-06-25 16:18                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2022-06-25 22:29                 ` Linus Walleij
2022-06-26  2:52                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-06-26  3:18                     ` Al Viro
2022-06-19 13:49         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 13:49           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-19 19:08           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-19 19:08             ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-06-19 20:57             ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-06-20 13:53             ` Linus Walleij
2022-06-20 14:08             ` James Bottomley
2022-06-21 15:11           ` Dan Carpenter
2022-06-23 10:58             ` [TECH TOPIC] Why is devm_kzalloc() harmful and what can we do about it Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-23 11:24               ` Dan Carpenter
2022-06-23 11:31                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-06-21  9:49 ` David Woodhouse [this message]

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