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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: "Halil Pasic" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Libvirt Devel" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	"Kirti Wankhede" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	"Erik Skultety" <eskultet@redhat.com>,
	"Pavel Hrdina" <phrdina@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Sylvain Bauza" <sbauza@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: mdevctl: A shoestring mediated device management and persistence utility
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:28:22 -0600
Message-ID: <20190611142822.238ef424@x1.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190611214508.0a86aeb2.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:45:08 +0200
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 18:06:30 +0200
> Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 24 May 2019 12:11:06 +0200
> > Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Thu, 23 May 2019 17:20:01 -0600
> > > Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >     
> > > > Hi,
> > > >     
> > 
> > [..]
> >   
> > > > 
> > > > It would be really useful if s390 folks could help me understand
> > > > whether it's possible to glean all the information necessary to
> > > > recreate a ccw or ap mdev device from sysfs.  I expect the file where
> > > > we currently only store the mdev_type to evolve into something that
> > > > includes more information to facilitate more complicated devices.  For
> > > > now I make no claims to maintaining compatibility of recorded mdev
> > > > devices, it will absolutely change, but I didn't want to get bogged
> > > > down in making sure I don't accidentally source a root kit hidden in an
> > > > mdev config file.    
> > > 
> > > I played a bit with it on my LPAR, and it is at least not obviously
> > > broken with vfio-ccw :) I don't have any ap devices to play with,
> > > though.
> > >     
> > 
> > Sorry for being late...
> > 
> > I guess for vfio-ccw one needs to make sure that the ccw device is bound
> > to the vfio-ccw driver first, and only after that can one use  
> > create-mdev to create the mdev on top of the subchannel.
> > 
> > So to make this work persistently (survive a reboot) one would need to
> > take care of the subchannel getting bound to the right vfio_ccw driver
> > before mdevctl is called. Right?
> > 
> > BTW how does this concurrence situation between the drivers io_subchannel
> > and vfio_ccw work? Especially if both are build in?  
> 
> If you have two drivers that match to the same device type, you'll
> always have the issue that the driver that is first matched with the
> device will bind to it and you have to do the unbind/rebind dance to
> get it bound to the correct device driver. (I guess that this was the
> basic motivation behind the ap bus default driver infrastructure,
> right?) I think that in our case the io_subchannel driver will be
> called first (alphabetical order and the fact that vfio-ccw will often
> be a module). I'm not sure if it is within the scope of mdevctl to
> ensure that the device is bound to the correct driver, or if it rather
> should work with devices already bound to the correct driver only.
> Maybe a separate udev-rules generator?

Getting a device bound to a specific driver is exactly the domain of
driverctl.  Implement the sysfs interfaces driverctl uses and see if it
works.  Driverctl defaults to PCI and knows some extra things about
PCI, but appears to be written to be generally bus agnostic.  Thanks,

Alex

> There's also the question where that automatic configuration should
> stop. Should cio_ignore handling be part of it as well? [That's a
> non-generic interface, of course. Tooling within s390-tools, maybe?]
> 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm also curious how or if libvirt or openstack might use this.
> > > > If nothing else, it makes libvirt hook scripts easier to write,
> > > > especially if we add an option not to autostart mdevs, or if
> > > > users don't mind persistent mdevs, maybe there's nothing more to
> > > > do.   
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> > @Alex: I'm curious what is the big management picture for non-auto
> > looks like.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Halil
> > 
> > [..]
> >   
> 


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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-23 23:20 Alex Williamson
2019-05-24 10:11 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-24 14:43   ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-07 16:06   ` Halil Pasic
2019-06-11 19:45     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-11 20:28       ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2019-06-12  7:14         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-12 15:54           ` Halil Pasic
2019-06-13 10:02             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-12 15:07       ` Halil Pasic
2019-06-13 16:17 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-06-13 16:35   ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-14  9:54     ` [libvirt] " Christophe de Dinechin
2019-06-14 14:23       ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-14 15:06         ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-06-14 16:04           ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-17 16:03             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-17 14:00 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-17 14:54   ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-17 15:10     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-17 17:05       ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-18  8:44         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-18 11:01         ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]           ` <CALOCmukPWiXiM+mN0hCTvSwfdHy5UdERU8WnvOXiBrMQ9tH3VA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-06-18 22:12             ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-19  7:28               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-19  9:46                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-19 18:46                   ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-20  8:24                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
     [not found]               ` <CALOCmu=6Xmw-_-SVXujCEcgPY2CQiBQKgfUMJ45WnZ_9XORyUw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-06-19  9:57                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-19 19:53                 ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-25 22:52 ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-26  9:58   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-26 14:37     ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-27  1:53       ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-27 12:26         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-27 15:00           ` Matthew Rosato
2019-06-27 15:38             ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-27 16:13               ` Matthew Rosato
2019-06-27 21:15               ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-28  1:57                 ` Alex Williamson
2019-06-28  9:06                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-06-28 14:01                     ` Matthew Rosato
2019-06-28 17:05                     ` Alex Williamson
2019-07-01  8:20                       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-07-01 14:40                         ` Alex Williamson
2019-07-01 17:13                           ` Cornelia Huck

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