From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Patrick Mullaney <pmullaney@novell.com>
Cc: anthony@codemonkey.ws, andi@firstfloor.org,
herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
Gregory Haskins <GHaskins@novell.com>,
Peter Morreale <PMorreale@novell.com>,
rusty@rustcorp.com.au, agraf@suse.de, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:27:04 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D4CB38.5030205@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D473EA020000C700056627@lucius.provo.novell.com>
Patrick Mullaney wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:27 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>
>> virtio is a stable ABI.
>>
>>
>>> However, theres still the possibility we can make this work in an ABI
>>> friendly way with cap-bits, or other such features. For instance, the
>>> virtio-net driver could register both with pci and vbus-proxy and
>>> instantiate a device with a slightly different ops structure for each or
>>> something. Alternatively we could write a host-side shim to expose vbus
>>> devices as pci devices or something like that.
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds complicated...
>>
>>
>
> IMO, it doesn't sound anymore complicated than making virtio support the
> concepts already provided by vbus/venet-tap driver. Isn't there already
> precedent for alternative approaches co-existing and having the users
> decide which is the most appropriate for their use case? Switching
> drivers in order to improve latency for a certain class of applications
> would seem like something latency sensitive users would be more than
> willing to do. I'd like to point out 2 things. Greg has offered help
> in moving virtio into the vbus infrastructure. The vbus infrastructure
> is a large part of what is being proposed here.
>
vbus (if I understand it right) is a whole package of things:
- a way to enumerate, discover, and manage devices
That part duplicates PCI and it would be pretty hard to convince me we
need to move to something new. virtio-pci (a) works, (b) works on Windows.
- a different way of doing interrupts
Again, the need to paravirtualize kills this on Windows (I think).
- a different ring layout, and splitting notifications from the ring
I don't see the huge win here
- placing the host part in the host kernel
Nothing vbus-specific here.
Switching drivers is unfortunately not easy on Linux as you need a new
kernel; it's easier on Windows once you have the drivers written.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2009-04-02 14:14 ` [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus Patrick Mullaney
2009-04-02 14:27 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-04-02 15:31 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 15:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:06 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:51 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:44 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 11:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 14:58 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 15:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 18:19 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:50 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 17:09 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-03 18:32 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 18:42 Gregory Haskins
2009-03-31 20:18 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 12:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 13:23 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 14:19 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 14:42 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 17:01 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 18:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-01 20:40 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 21:11 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 21:28 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-01 22:10 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 6:00 ` Chris Wright
2009-04-02 3:11 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 21:09 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 0:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 3:11 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 6:51 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 8:52 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 9:16 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 9:29 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:33 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 9:41 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 9:44 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 11:06 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:30 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:13 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02 12:50 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:52 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:22 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:05 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:50 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:40 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 15:57 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 16:09 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 16:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 17:06 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 17:17 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 15:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-03 4:43 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 10:55 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:48 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 10:58 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-03 11:03 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:12 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:48 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:55 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:05 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:18 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-03 11:34 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 11:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 11:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 10:46 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 11:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:22 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 12:42 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 12:54 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 13:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 13:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:24 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 14:32 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 16:19 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 18:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-03 1:11 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-03 12:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 12:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 13:13 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-03 13:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 16:28 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-05 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 3:09 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 6:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 8:54 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 9:03 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-02 9:05 ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-01 20:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 22:23 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-01 23:05 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 6:08 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-01 11:35 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-02 1:24 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-02 2:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-04-01 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05 3:44 ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-05 8:06 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 14:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-05 16:10 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-05 16:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-02 3:15 ` Herbert Xu
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