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* [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64
@ 2021-09-07 18:09 Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent Ricardo Koller
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Koller @ 2021-09-07 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kvm, kvmarm; +Cc: maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero

Enable memslot_modification_stress_test and memslot_perf_test in ARM64
(second patch). memslot_modification_stress_test builds and runs in
aarch64 without any modification. memslot_perf_test needs some nits
regarding ucalls (first patch).

Can anybody try these two tests in s390, please?

Changes:
v2: Makefile tests in the right order (from Andrew).

Ricardo Koller (2):
  KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
  KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64

 tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile          |  2 +
 .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
 2 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)

-- 
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* [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
  2021-09-07 18:09 [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-09-07 18:09 ` Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 19:06   ` Oliver Upton
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64 Ricardo Koller
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Koller @ 2021-09-07 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kvm, kvmarm; +Cc: maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero

memslot_perf_test uses ucalls for synchronization between guest and
host. Ucalls API is architecture independent: tests do not need to know
details like what kind of exit they generate on a specific arch.  More
specifically, there is no need to check whether an exit is KVM_EXIT_IO
in x86 for the host to know that the exit is ucall related, as
get_ucall() already makes that check.

Change memslot_perf_test to not require specifying what exit does a
ucall generate. Also add a missing ucall_init.

Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
---
 .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
 1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)

diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c
index d6e381e01db7..1727f75e0c2c 100644
--- a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c
+++ b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c
@@ -127,43 +127,54 @@ static bool verbose;
 			pr_info(__VA_ARGS__);	\
 	} while (0)
 
+static void check_mmio_access(struct vm_data *vm, struct kvm_run *run)
+{
+	TEST_ASSERT(vm->mmio_ok, "Unexpected mmio exit");
+	TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.is_write, "Unexpected mmio read");
+	TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.len == 8,
+		    "Unexpected exit mmio size = %u", run->mmio.len);
+	TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.phys_addr >= vm->mmio_gpa_min &&
+		    run->mmio.phys_addr <= vm->mmio_gpa_max,
+		    "Unexpected exit mmio address = 0x%llx",
+		    run->mmio.phys_addr);
+}
+
 static void *vcpu_worker(void *data)
 {
 	struct vm_data *vm = data;
 	struct kvm_run *run;
 	struct ucall uc;
-	uint64_t cmd;
 
 	run = vcpu_state(vm->vm, VCPU_ID);
 	while (1) {
 		vcpu_run(vm->vm, VCPU_ID);
 
-		if (run->exit_reason == KVM_EXIT_IO) {
-			cmd = get_ucall(vm->vm, VCPU_ID, &uc);
-			if (cmd != UCALL_SYNC)
-				break;
-
+		switch (get_ucall(vm->vm, VCPU_ID, &uc)) {
+		case UCALL_SYNC:
+			TEST_ASSERT(uc.args[1] == 0,
+				"Unexpected sync ucall, got %lx",
+				(ulong)uc.args[1]);
 			sem_post(&vcpu_ready);
 			continue;
-		}
-
-		if (run->exit_reason != KVM_EXIT_MMIO)
+		case UCALL_NONE:
+			if (run->exit_reason == KVM_EXIT_MMIO)
+				check_mmio_access(vm, run);
+			else
+				goto done;
 			break;
-
-		TEST_ASSERT(vm->mmio_ok, "Unexpected mmio exit");
-		TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.is_write, "Unexpected mmio read");
-		TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.len == 8,
-			    "Unexpected exit mmio size = %u", run->mmio.len);
-		TEST_ASSERT(run->mmio.phys_addr >= vm->mmio_gpa_min &&
-			    run->mmio.phys_addr <= vm->mmio_gpa_max,
-			    "Unexpected exit mmio address = 0x%llx",
-			    run->mmio.phys_addr);
+		case UCALL_ABORT:
+			TEST_FAIL("%s at %s:%ld, val = %lu",
+					(const char *)uc.args[0],
+					__FILE__, uc.args[1], uc.args[2]);
+			break;
+		case UCALL_DONE:
+			goto done;
+		default:
+			TEST_FAIL("Unknown ucall %lu", uc.cmd);
+		}
 	}
 
-	if (run->exit_reason == KVM_EXIT_IO && cmd == UCALL_ABORT)
-		TEST_FAIL("%s at %s:%ld, val = %lu", (const char *)uc.args[0],
-			  __FILE__, uc.args[1], uc.args[2]);
-
+done:
 	return NULL;
 }
 
@@ -268,6 +279,7 @@ static bool prepare_vm(struct vm_data *data, int nslots, uint64_t *maxslots,
 	TEST_ASSERT(data->hva_slots, "malloc() fail");
 
 	data->vm = vm_create_default(VCPU_ID, mempages, guest_code);
+	ucall_init(data->vm, NULL);
 
 	pr_info_v("Adding slots 1..%i, each slot with %"PRIu64" pages + %"PRIu64" extra pages last\n",
 		max_mem_slots - 1, data->pages_per_slot, rempages);
-- 
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* [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
  2021-09-07 18:09 [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-09-07 18:09 ` Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 19:05   ` Oliver Upton
  2021-09-07 18:17 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Andrew Jones
  2021-10-21 12:47 ` Marc Zyngier
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Koller @ 2021-09-07 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kvm, kvmarm; +Cc: maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero

Add memslot_perf_test and memslot_modification_stress_test to the list
of aarch64 selftests.

Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
---
 tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile | 2 ++
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)

diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
index 5832f510a16c..5ed203b9314c 100644
--- a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
+++ b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
@@ -92,6 +92,8 @@ TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += dirty_log_test
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += dirty_log_perf_test
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_create_max_vcpus
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_page_table_test
+TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += memslot_modification_stress_test
+TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += memslot_perf_test
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += set_memory_region_test
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += steal_time
 TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_binary_stats_test
-- 
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64
  2021-09-07 18:09 [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64 Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-09-07 18:17 ` Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 20:52   ` Ricardo Koller
  2021-10-19 21:17   ` Ricardo Koller
  2021-10-21 12:47 ` Marc Zyngier
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Jones @ 2021-09-07 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Koller; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 11:09:55AM -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> Enable memslot_modification_stress_test and memslot_perf_test in ARM64
> (second patch). memslot_modification_stress_test builds and runs in
> aarch64 without any modification. memslot_perf_test needs some nits
> regarding ucalls (first patch).
> 
> Can anybody try these two tests in s390, please?
> 
> Changes:
> v2: Makefile tests in the right order (from Andrew).

Hi Ricardo,

You could have collected all the r-b's too.

Thanks,
drew

> 
> Ricardo Koller (2):
>   KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
>   KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
> 
>  tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile          |  2 +
>  .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
>  2 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
> 
> -- 
> 2.33.0.153.gba50c8fa24-goog
> 

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* Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 19:06   ` Oliver Upton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Jones @ 2021-09-07 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Koller; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 11:09:56AM -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> memslot_perf_test uses ucalls for synchronization between guest and
> host. Ucalls API is architecture independent: tests do not need to know
> details like what kind of exit they generate on a specific arch.  More
> specifically, there is no need to check whether an exit is KVM_EXIT_IO
> in x86 for the host to know that the exit is ucall related, as
> get_ucall() already makes that check.
> 
> Change memslot_perf_test to not require specifying what exit does a
> ucall generate. Also add a missing ucall_init.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
> ---
>  .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
>

Reviewed-by: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>

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* Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64 Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 19:05   ` Oliver Upton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Jones @ 2021-09-07 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Koller; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 11:09:57AM -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> Add memslot_perf_test and memslot_modification_stress_test to the list
> of aarch64 selftests.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
> ---
>  tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile | 2 ++
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
> index 5832f510a16c..5ed203b9314c 100644
> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile
> @@ -92,6 +92,8 @@ TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += dirty_log_test
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += dirty_log_perf_test
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_create_max_vcpus
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_page_table_test
> +TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += memslot_modification_stress_test
> +TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += memslot_perf_test
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += set_memory_region_test
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += steal_time
>  TEST_GEN_PROGS_aarch64 += kvm_binary_stats_test
> -- 
> 2.33.0.153.gba50c8fa24-goog
>

Reviewed-by: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>

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* Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64 Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
@ 2021-09-07 19:05   ` Oliver Upton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Upton @ 2021-09-07 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Koller; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 1:10 PM Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com> wrote:
>
> Add memslot_perf_test and memslot_modification_stress_test to the list
> of aarch64 selftests.
>
> Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
> ---
>  tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile | 2 ++
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)

Reviewed-by: Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>
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* Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
  2021-09-07 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent Ricardo Koller
  2021-09-07 18:18   ` Andrew Jones
@ 2021-09-07 19:06   ` Oliver Upton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Oliver Upton @ 2021-09-07 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ricardo Koller; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 1:10 PM Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com> wrote:
>
> memslot_perf_test uses ucalls for synchronization between guest and
> host. Ucalls API is architecture independent: tests do not need to know
> details like what kind of exit they generate on a specific arch.  More
> specifically, there is no need to check whether an exit is KVM_EXIT_IO
> in x86 for the host to know that the exit is ucall related, as
> get_ucall() already makes that check.
>
> Change memslot_perf_test to not require specifying what exit does a
> ucall generate. Also add a missing ucall_init.
>
> Signed-off-by: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
> ---
>  .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
>

Reviewed-by: Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64
  2021-09-07 18:17 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Andrew Jones
@ 2021-09-07 20:52   ` Ricardo Koller
  2021-10-19 21:17   ` Ricardo Koller
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Koller @ 2021-09-07 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Jones; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 08:17:37PM +0200, Andrew Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 11:09:55AM -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> > Enable memslot_modification_stress_test and memslot_perf_test in ARM64
> > (second patch). memslot_modification_stress_test builds and runs in
> > aarch64 without any modification. memslot_perf_test needs some nits
> > regarding ucalls (first patch).
> > 
> > Can anybody try these two tests in s390, please?
> > 
> > Changes:
> > v2: Makefile tests in the right order (from Andrew).
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> You could have collected all the r-b's too.

Thanks Andrew. Will try to do it next time (if changes are small like
in this patch set.

Thanks,
Ricardo

> 
> Thanks,
> drew
> 
> > 
> > Ricardo Koller (2):
> >   KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
> >   KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
> > 
> >  tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile          |  2 +
> >  .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
> >  2 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
> > 
> > -- 
> > 2.33.0.153.gba50c8fa24-goog
> > 
> 
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64
  2021-09-07 18:17 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Andrew Jones
  2021-09-07 20:52   ` Ricardo Koller
@ 2021-10-19 21:17   ` Ricardo Koller
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ricardo Koller @ 2021-10-19 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Jones; +Cc: kvm, maz, pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero, kvmarm

On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 08:17:37PM +0200, Andrew Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 11:09:55AM -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> > Enable memslot_modification_stress_test and memslot_perf_test in ARM64
> > (second patch). memslot_modification_stress_test builds and runs in
> > aarch64 without any modification. memslot_perf_test needs some nits
> > regarding ucalls (first patch).
> > 
> > Can anybody try these two tests in s390, please?
> > 
> > Changes:
> > v2: Makefile tests in the right order (from Andrew).
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> You could have collected all the r-b's too.
> 
> Thanks,
> drew
> 

Friendly ping on this one, please.

> > 
> > Ricardo Koller (2):
> >   KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
> >   KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
> > 
> >  tools/testing/selftests/kvm/Makefile          |  2 +
> >  .../testing/selftests/kvm/memslot_perf_test.c | 56 +++++++++++--------
> >  2 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
> > 
> > -- 
> > 2.33.0.153.gba50c8fa24-goog
> > 
> 
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64
  2021-09-07 18:09 [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Ricardo Koller
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-09-07 18:17 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] KVM: selftests: enable the memslot tests in ARM64 Andrew Jones
@ 2021-10-21 12:47 ` Marc Zyngier
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Marc Zyngier @ 2021-10-21 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kvmarm, kvm, Ricardo Koller; +Cc: pshier, Paolo Bonzini, maciej.szmigiero

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 11:09:55 -0700, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> Enable memslot_modification_stress_test and memslot_perf_test in ARM64
> (second patch). memslot_modification_stress_test builds and runs in
> aarch64 without any modification. memslot_perf_test needs some nits
> regarding ucalls (first patch).
> 
> Can anybody try these two tests in s390, please?
> 
> [...]

Applied to next, thanks!

[1/2] KVM: selftests: make memslot_perf_test arch independent
      commit: ffb4ce3c49366f02f1c064fbe2e66a96ab5f98b8
[2/2] KVM: selftests: build the memslot tests for arm64
      commit: 358928fd5264f069b9758f8b29297c7bff2a06de

Cheers,

	M.
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