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From: Thorsten Glaser <tg@mirbsd.de>
To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	x32@buildd.debian.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support?
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:59:48 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSM.4.64L.1812112155170.21176@herc.mirbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70bb54b2-8ed3-b5ee-c02d-6ef66c4f27eb@physik.fu-berlin.de>

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz dixit:

>I can't say anything about the syscall interface. However, what I do know
>is that the weird combination of a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel
>interface is sometimes causing issues. For example, application code usually

Yes, but more and more ${foo}64ilp32 architectures are popping up.

>Additionally, x32 support in many applications is either rudimentary

If a signal is sent that this kind of architectures will stay, some
people might be convinced to fix that.

>It's also that the performance benefits of x32 are often eaten up by
>the fact that none of the scripted languages that I know of provide

Non-JITted languages like yours truly’s shell do benefit from it,
though. (mksh works just fine on LP64 but its internal structures
pack massively better on ILP32, for example.)

>If x32 is eventually to be removed, we should also take care of removing
>x32 support from userland code. From the top of my head, this would at least

I don’t think so. The patches also contain
– stuff to support 64-bit time_t on 32-bit architectures, e.g:
- bugfixes like printf("%lld", (long long)timet_value) instead
  of assuming time_t fits into a long (also important for other
  operating systems…)
- generally switching from generic types like long to specific
  types like size_t, ptrdiff_t, etc.
- there was one more but after having written two eMails I forgot it
- oh and, of course, they lay the base for e.g. amd64ilp32 support

bye,
//mirabilos
-- 
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of
ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider it for my daily use if I hadn't
wasted half my life on my zsh setup. :-) -- Frank Terbeck in #!/bin/mksh

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-11 21:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-11  1:23 Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support? Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11  1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-11  2:22   ` hpa
2018-12-11  8:16   ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 21:53   ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:22     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11 23:35       ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:55         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-12  2:24         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12  2:33           ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-12  9:04             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-12 18:14               ` Joseph Myers
2018-12-12 18:50                 ` Ivan Ivanov
2018-12-12 19:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 19:18                     ` Ivan Ivanov
2018-12-12 16:39             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 16:52               ` Rich Felker
2018-12-12 18:03                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-13 12:40                   ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-13 15:57                     ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13 16:04                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-13 16:28                         ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 11:42                           ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-14 16:13                             ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13 18:42                         ` Joseph Myers
2018-12-15  4:53               ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:38       ` Rich Felker
2018-12-11 23:40     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2018-12-13 14:38   ` Olof Johansson
2018-12-13 15:46     ` Lance Richardson
2018-12-13 16:11   ` Richard Purdie
2018-12-11  3:14 ` H.J. Lu
2018-12-11  5:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11  9:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-11 11:32       ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-11 11:37         ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 11:52           ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-11  5:46 ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-11 10:29 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-12-11 10:37   ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 10:44     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-12-11 21:59   ` Thorsten Glaser [this message]
2018-12-11 23:33     ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13  5:03   ` Kevin Easton
2018-12-13  9:05     ` Richard Weinberger
2018-12-13 12:12       ` Kevin Easton
2018-12-14 14:38       ` David Laight
2018-12-14 15:17         ` Richard Weinberger
2018-12-13 16:02   ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 14:13     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-12-14 16:17       ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 16:29         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-12-14 16:38         ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-14 16:55           ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 18:58             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 19:59               ` Lance Richardson
2018-12-14 20:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-14 21:27                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 21:16 ` Thomas Schöbel-Theuer
2018-12-14 21:24   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 21:41     ` Thomas Schöbel-Theuer
2018-12-15  7:41       ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2018-12-15 15:30         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-09 12:41   ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-09 16:02     ` Rich Felker
2019-01-22 13:34   ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult

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