From: Thorsten Glaser <tg@mirbsd.de>
To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
"H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
x32@buildd.debian.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support?
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:59:48 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.BSM.4.64L.1812112155170.21176@herc.mirbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70bb54b2-8ed3-b5ee-c02d-6ef66c4f27eb@physik.fu-berlin.de>
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz dixit:
>I can't say anything about the syscall interface. However, what I do know
>is that the weird combination of a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel
>interface is sometimes causing issues. For example, application code usually
Yes, but more and more ${foo}64ilp32 architectures are popping up.
>Additionally, x32 support in many applications is either rudimentary
If a signal is sent that this kind of architectures will stay, some
people might be convinced to fix that.
>It's also that the performance benefits of x32 are often eaten up by
>the fact that none of the scripted languages that I know of provide
Non-JITted languages like yours truly’s shell do benefit from it,
though. (mksh works just fine on LP64 but its internal structures
pack massively better on ILP32, for example.)
>If x32 is eventually to be removed, we should also take care of removing
>x32 support from userland code. From the top of my head, this would at least
I don’t think so. The patches also contain
– stuff to support 64-bit time_t on 32-bit architectures, e.g:
- bugfixes like printf("%lld", (long long)timet_value) instead
of assuming time_t fits into a long (also important for other
operating systems…)
- generally switching from generic types like long to specific
types like size_t, ptrdiff_t, etc.
- there was one more but after having written two eMails I forgot it
- oh and, of course, they lay the base for e.g. amd64ilp32 support
bye,
//mirabilos
--
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of
ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider it for my daily use if I hadn't
wasted half my life on my zsh setup. :-) -- Frank Terbeck in #!/bin/mksh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-11 21:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-11 1:23 Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support? Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-11 2:22 ` hpa
2018-12-11 8:16 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 21:53 ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11 23:35 ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-12 2:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 2:33 ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-12 9:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-12 18:14 ` Joseph Myers
2018-12-12 18:50 ` Ivan Ivanov
2018-12-12 19:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 19:18 ` Ivan Ivanov
2018-12-12 16:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 16:52 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-12 18:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-13 12:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-13 15:57 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13 16:04 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-13 16:28 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 11:42 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-14 16:13 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13 18:42 ` Joseph Myers
2018-12-15 4:53 ` Thorsten Glaser
2018-12-11 23:38 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-11 23:40 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2018-12-13 14:38 ` Olof Johansson
2018-12-13 15:46 ` Lance Richardson
2018-12-13 16:11 ` Richard Purdie
2018-12-11 3:14 ` H.J. Lu
2018-12-11 5:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-11 9:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-11 11:32 ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-11 11:37 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 11:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2018-12-11 5:46 ` Christian Brauner
2018-12-11 10:29 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-12-11 10:37 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-11 10:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2018-12-11 21:59 ` Thorsten Glaser [this message]
2018-12-11 23:33 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-13 5:03 ` Kevin Easton
2018-12-13 9:05 ` Richard Weinberger
2018-12-13 12:12 ` Kevin Easton
2018-12-14 14:38 ` David Laight
2018-12-14 15:17 ` Richard Weinberger
2018-12-13 16:02 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 14:13 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-12-14 16:17 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 16:29 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-12-14 16:38 ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-14 16:55 ` Rich Felker
2018-12-14 18:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 19:59 ` Lance Richardson
2018-12-14 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-14 21:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 21:16 ` Thomas Schöbel-Theuer
2018-12-14 21:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-14 21:41 ` Thomas Schöbel-Theuer
2018-12-15 7:41 ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2018-12-15 15:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-01-09 12:41 ` Florian Weimer
2019-01-09 16:02 ` Rich Felker
2019-01-22 13:34 ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
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