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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Wang Rui <wangrui@loongson.cn>
Cc: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@gmail.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@loongson.cn>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	Jiaxun Yang <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] arch: Introduce ARCH_HAS_HW_XCHG_SMALL
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 13:03:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YP/n59uBjt8O4PlX@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3897b19d.ff7d.17ae5a9c6e9.Coremail.wangrui@loongson.cn>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 09:52:26AM +0800, Wang Rui wrote:
> I think the forward progress are guaranteed while all operations are
> atomic(ll/sc or amo). If ll/sc runs on a fast cpu, there will be
> random delays, is that okay? Else, for such hardware, we can't even
> implement generic spinlock with ll/sc.
> 
> And I also think that the hardware supports normal store for
> unlocking. (e.g. arch_spin_unlock)
> 
> In qspinlock, when _Q_PENDING_BITS == 1, it's available for all
> hardware, because the clear_pending/clear_pending_set_locked are all
> atomic operations. Isn't it?
> 
> Q: Why live lock happens while _Q_PENDING_BITS == 8?
> A: I found a case is:
> 
> * CPU A updates sub-word of qpsinlock at high frequency with normal store.
> * CPU B do xchg_tail with load + cmpxchg, and the value of load is always not equal to the value of ll(cmpxchg).
> 
> qspinlock:
>   0: locked
>   1: pending
>   2: tail
> 
> CPU A                    CPU B
> 1:                       1: &lt;--------------------+
>   sh $newval, &amp;locked      lw  $v1, &amp;qspinlock   |
>   add $newval, 1           and $t1, $v1, ~mask   |
>   b 1b                     or  $t1, $t1, newval  | (live lock path)
>                            ll  $v2, &amp;qspinlock   |
>                            bne $v1, $v2, 1b -----+
>                            sc  $t1, &amp;qspinlock
>                            beq $t1, 0, 1b
> 
> If xchg_tail like this, at least there is no live lock on Loongson
> 
> xchg_tail:
> 
> 1:
>   ll  $v1, &amp;qspinlock
>   and $t1, $v1, ~mask
>   or  $t1, $t1, newval
>   sc  $t1, &amp;qspinlock
>   beq $t1, 0, 1b
> 
> For hardware that ll/sc is based on cache coherency, I think sc is
> easy to succeed. The ll makes cache-line is exclusive by CPU B, and
> the store of CPU A needs to acquire exclusive again, the sc may be
> completed before this.

This! I've been saying this for ages. All those xchg16() implementations
are broken for using cmpxchg() on LL/SC. Not because xchg16() is
fundamentally flawed.

Perhaps we should introduce:

	atomic_nand_or() and atomic_fetch_nand_or()

and implement short xchg() using those, then we can have the whole masks
setup shared. It just means you get to implement those primitives for
*all* archs :-)

Also, the _Q_PENDING_BITS==1 case can use that primitive.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-27 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-24 12:36 [PATCH RFC 1/2] arch: Introduce ARCH_HAS_HW_XCHG_SMALL Huacai Chen
2021-07-24 12:36 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] qspinlock: Use ARCH_HAS_HW_XCHG_SMALL to select _Q_PENDING_BITS definition Huacai Chen
2021-07-24 19:24 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] arch: Introduce ARCH_HAS_HW_XCHG_SMALL Arnd Bergmann
2021-07-25  3:06   ` Jiaxun Yang
2021-07-25 10:08     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-07-26  8:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-07-26  8:56   ` Huacai Chen
2021-07-26 10:39     ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-26 16:41       ` Guo Ren
2021-07-26 17:03         ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-26 21:20           ` Waiman Long
2021-07-27  1:27             ` Guo Ren
2021-07-27  2:29               ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-27  2:46                 ` Waiman Long
2021-07-27 11:05                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-28 10:40                   ` Huacai Chen
2021-07-28 11:01                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-29 16:38                       ` Huacai Chen
2021-07-27 10:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-27  1:07           ` Guo Ren
2021-07-27  1:52             ` Wang Rui
2021-07-27 11:03               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-07-27  2:00             ` Boqun Feng
2021-07-27 10:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-27 10:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-26  9:00   ` Arnd Bergmann

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