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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC/PATCH 7/7] WIP: HACK/RFC: omap_device: begin to decouple platform_device from omap_device
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:05:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110731150540.GA3019@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110731025807.GA24334@ponder.secretlab.ca>

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 08:58:07PM -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 01:03:32PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 04:52:18PM -0700, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> > > Rather than embedding a struct platform_device inside a struct
> > > omap_device, decouple them, leaving only a pointer to the
> > > platform_device inside the omap_device.
> > > 
> > > This patch uses devres to allocate and attach the omap_device to the
> > > struct device, so finding an omap_device from a struct device means
> > > using devres_find(), and the to_omap_device() helper function was
> > > modified accordingly.
> > > 
> > > RFC/Hack alert:
> > > 
> > > Currently the driver core (drivers/base/dd.c) doesn't expect any
> > > devres resources to exist before the driver's ->probe() is called.  In
> > > this patch, I just comment out the warning, but we'll need to
> > > understand why that limitation exists, and if it's a real limitation.
> > > A first glance suggests that it's not really needed.  If this is a
> > > true limitation, we'll need to find some way other than devres to
> > > attach an omap_device to a struct device.
> > > 
> > > On OMAP, we will need an omap_device attached to a struct device
> > > before probe because device HW may be disabled in probe and drivers
> > > are expected to use runtime PM in ->probe() to activate the hardware
> > > before access.  Because the runtime PM API calls use omap_device (via
> > > our PM domain layer), we need omap_device attached to a
> > > platform_device before probe.
> > 
> > This feels really wrong to overload devres with this.  devres purpose is
> > to provide the device's _drivers_ with a way to allocate and free resources
> > in such a way to avoid leaks on .remove or probe failure.  So I think that
> > overloading it with something that has a different lifetime is completely
> > wrong.
> 
> I disagree; extending devres to also handle device lifetime scoped
> resources makes perfect sense. It is a clean extension, and struct device
> is really getting rather huge.  I certainly prefer re-scoping devres
> to adding more elements to struct device.

The point is you're asking something which is designed to have a well
defined lifetime of driver-bind...driver-unbind to do a lot more than
that - extending its lifetime conditional on some flag to the entire
device lifetime instead.

Such extensions tend to be a disaster - and a recipe for confusion as
people will no longer have a clear idea of the lifetime issues.  We
already know that people absolutely struggle to understand lifed
objects - we see it time and time again where people directly kfree
stuff like platform devices without thinking about whether they're
still in use.

So no, extending devres is a _big_ mistake and is far from clean.

Not only that, but if most of the platform devices are omap devices,
(as it would be on OMAP), you'll consume more memory through having to
have the additional management structs for the omap_device stuff than
a simple pointer.

As for struct device getting rather huge, last time I looked it contained
a load of stuff which was there whether or not a platform used it.  Eg,
you get 4 bytes wasted for an of_node whether you have DT support or not.
If sizeof(struct device) really is a problem, then it needs the unused
stuff ifdef'd away.  So I don't buy the "its getting rather huge" argument.

> > We could add a new member to struct dev_archdata or pdev_archdata to carry
> > a pointer to this data, which I think would be a far cleaner (and saner)
> > way to deal with this.  In much the same way as we already have an of_node
> > member in struct device.
> 
> Since this is just for omap_device, which by definition is arm-only, I
> don't have any strong objection to using pdev_archdata. If it was
> cross-architecture, then I'd argue strongly for the devres approach.

Indeed, which is why I think putting it in the platform device archdata
makes total sense, more sense than buggering up the clean devres lifetime
rules that we have today.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-31 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-21 23:52 [RFC/PATCH 0/7] decouple platform_device from omap_device Kevin Hilman
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [PATCH] OMAP: omap_device: replace _find_by_pdev() with to_omap_device() Kevin Hilman
2011-07-22  8:53   ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/7] OMAP: omap_device: replace debug/warning/error prints with dev_* macros Kevin Hilman
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/7] OMAP3: beagle: don't touch omap_device internals Kevin Hilman
2011-07-22  8:57   ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-28  5:53     ` Nishanth Menon
2011-07-28 10:10       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-28 12:57       ` Cousson, Benoit
2011-07-28 12:59         ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-28 13:31         ` Menon, Nishanth
2011-07-29 13:49           ` Nishanth Menon
2011-07-29 14:05             ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-29 23:07               ` Menon, Nishanth
2011-08-01  8:52                 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-28  8:36     ` Jean Pihet
2011-07-28  8:40     ` Jean Pihet
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/7] OMAP: McBSP: use existing macros for converting between devices Kevin Hilman
2011-07-22  8:58   ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-22 12:32   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-07-22 20:19     ` Kevin Hilman
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 4/7] OMAP: omap_device: remove internal functions from omap_device.h Kevin Hilman
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 5/7] OMAP: omap_device: when building return platform_device instead of omap_device Kevin Hilman
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 6/7] OMAP: omap_device: device register functions now take platform_device pointer Kevin Hilman
2011-07-22  6:16   ` Grant Likely
2011-07-21 23:52 ` [RFC/PATCH 7/7] WIP: HACK/RFC: omap_device: begin to decouple platform_device from omap_device Kevin Hilman
2011-07-22  2:20   ` Grant Likely
2011-07-30 12:03   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-07-31  2:58     ` Grant Likely
2011-07-31 15:05       ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2011-08-01 15:42         ` Kevin Hilman
2011-08-01 15:44           ` Grant Likely
2011-08-01 18:50             ` Felipe Balbi
2011-08-01 20:07               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-08-01 22:11                 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-08-01 22:55                   ` Felipe Balbi
2011-08-01 23:09                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-08-02  0:00                       ` Grant Likely
2011-07-27 14:04 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/7] " G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-07-27 21:45   ` Hilman, Kevin
2011-07-28  4:50     ` G, Manjunath Kondaiah
2011-07-29 23:59       ` Kevin Hilman

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