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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Mike Christie <michael.christie@oracle.com>,
	Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <krisman@collabora.com>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:04:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c6d862ce-9f3d-d89f-dee5-fd40b096dbf2@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b85385b-e8cf-2ab3-ce22-c63d4346cc16@acm.org>


>> So I hear there is a desire to do this. So I think we should list the
>> use-cases for this first because that would lead to different design
>> choices.. For example one use-case is just to send read/write/flush
>> to userspace, another may want to passthru nvme commands to userspace
>> and there may be others...
> 
> (resending my reply without truncating the Cc-list)
> 
> Hi Sagi,
> 
> Haven't these use cases already been mentioned in the email at the start 
> of this thread? The use cases I am aware of are implementing 
> cloud-specific block storage functionality and also block storage in 
> user space for Android. Having to parse NVMe commands and PRP or SGL 
> lists would be an unnecessary source of complexity and overhead for 
> these use cases. My understanding is that what is needed for these use 
> cases is something that is close to the block layer request interface 
> (REQ_OP_* + request flags + data buffer).

pasting my response here as well:

Well, I can absolutely think of a use-case that will want raw nvme
commands and leverage vendor specific opcodes for applications like
computational storage or what not...

I would say that all the complexity of handling nvme commands in
userspace would be handle in a properly layered core stack with
pluggable backends that can see a simplified interface if they want, or
see a full passthru command.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-15  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-21 19:59 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-21 23:16 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-21 23:30   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-22  6:57 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-02-22 14:46   ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-02-22 17:46     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-02-22 18:05     ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-24  9:37       ` Xiaoguang Wang
2022-02-24 10:12       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-01 23:24         ` Khazhy Kumykov
2022-03-02 16:16         ` Mike Christie
2022-03-13 21:15           ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-14 17:12             ` Mike Christie
2022-03-15  8:03               ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-14 19:21             ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-15  6:52               ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-15  8:08                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15  8:12                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-15  8:38                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15  8:42                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-23 19:42                       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-24 17:05                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15  8:04               ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2022-02-22 18:05   ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-02 23:04   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-03  7:17     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-27 16:35   ` Ming Lei
2022-03-28  5:47     ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-28  5:48     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-28 20:20     ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-29  0:30       ` Ming Lei
2022-03-29 17:20         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-30  1:55           ` Ming Lei
2022-03-30 18:22             ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-31  1:38               ` Ming Lei
2022-03-31  3:49                 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-04-08  6:52     ` Xiaoguang Wang
2022-04-08  7:44       ` Ming Lei
2022-02-23  5:57 ` Gao Xiang
2022-02-23  7:46   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-23  8:11     ` Gao Xiang
2022-02-23 22:40       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-24  0:58         ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-09  2:01           ` Ming Lei
2022-06-09  2:28             ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-09  4:06               ` Ming Lei
2022-06-09  4:55                 ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-10  1:52                   ` Ming Lei
2022-07-28  8:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2022-03-02 16:52 ` Mike Christie
2022-03-03  7:09   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-14 17:04     ` Mike Christie
2022-03-15  6:45       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-05  7:29 ` Dongsheng Yang

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