From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <krisman@collabora.com>,
lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
Xiaoguang Wang <xiaoguang.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 07:48:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f328815c-a68d-0d00-a8dd-5ed6ace491ce@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YkCSVSk1SwvtABIW@T590>
On 3/27/22 18:35, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 07:57:27AM +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
>> On 2/21/22 20:59, Gabriel Krisman Bertazi wrote:
>>> I'd like to discuss an interface to implement user space block devices,
>>> while avoiding local network NBD solutions. There has been reiterated
>>> interest in the topic, both from researchers [1] and from the community,
>>> including a proposed session in LSFMM2018 [2] (though I don't think it
>>> happened).
>>>
>>> I've been working on top of the Google iblock implementation to find
>>> something upstreamable and would like to present my design and gather
>>> feedback on some points, in particular zero-copy and overall user space
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> The design I'm pending towards uses special fds opened by the driver to
>>> transfer data to/from the block driver, preferably through direct
>>> splicing as much as possible, to keep data only in kernel space. This
>>> is because, in my use case, the driver usually only manipulates
>>> metadata, while data is forwarded directly through the network, or
>>> similar. It would be neat if we can leverage the existing
>>> splice/copy_file_range syscalls such that we don't ever need to bring
>>> disk data to user space, if we can avoid it. I've also experimented
>>> with regular pipes, But I found no way around keeping a lot of pipes
>>> opened, one for each possible command 'slot'.
>>>
>>> [1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3456727.3463768
>>> [2] https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-fsdevel/msg120674.html
>>>
>> Actually, I'd rather have something like an 'inverse io_uring', where an
>> application creates a memory region separated into several 'ring' for
>> submission and completion.
>> Then the kernel could write/map the incoming data onto the rings, and
>> application can read from there.
>> Maybe it'll be worthwhile to look at virtio here.
>
> IMO it needn't 'inverse io_uring', the normal io_uring SQE/CQE model
> does cover this case, the userspace part can submit SQEs beforehand
> for getting notification of each incoming io request from kernel driver,
> then after one io request is queued to the driver, the driver can
> queue a CQE for the previous submitted SQE. Recent posted patch of
> IORING_OP_URING_CMD[1] is perfect for such purpose.
>
Ah, cool idea.
> I have written one such userspace block driver recently, and [2] is the
> kernel part blk-mq driver(ubd driver), the userspace part is ubdsrv[3].
> Both the two parts look quite simple, but still in very early stage, so
> far only ubd-loop and ubd-null targets are implemented in [3]. Not only
> the io command communication channel is done via IORING_OP_URING_CMD, but
> also IO handling for ubd-loop is implemented via plain io_uring too.
>
> It is basically working, for ubd-loop, not see regression in 'xfstests -g auto'
> on the ubd block device compared with same xfstests on underlying disk, and
> my simple performance test on VM shows the result isn't worse than kernel loop
> driver with dio, or even much better on some test situations.
>
Neat. I'll have a look.
Thanks for doing that!
Cheers,
Hannes
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-28 5:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-21 19:59 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block drivers in user space Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-21 23:16 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-21 23:30 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-22 6:57 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-02-22 14:46 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-02-22 17:46 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-02-22 18:05 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-02-24 9:37 ` Xiaoguang Wang
2022-02-24 10:12 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-01 23:24 ` Khazhy Kumykov
2022-03-02 16:16 ` Mike Christie
2022-03-13 21:15 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-14 17:12 ` Mike Christie
2022-03-15 8:03 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-14 19:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-15 6:52 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-15 8:08 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15 8:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-15 8:38 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15 8:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-23 19:42 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-24 17:05 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-03-15 8:04 ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-02-22 18:05 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-02 23:04 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-03 7:17 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-27 16:35 ` Ming Lei
2022-03-28 5:47 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-28 5:48 ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2022-03-28 20:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-29 0:30 ` Ming Lei
2022-03-29 17:20 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-30 1:55 ` Ming Lei
2022-03-30 18:22 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2022-03-31 1:38 ` Ming Lei
2022-03-31 3:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-04-08 6:52 ` Xiaoguang Wang
2022-04-08 7:44 ` Ming Lei
2022-02-23 5:57 ` Gao Xiang
2022-02-23 7:46 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-23 8:11 ` Gao Xiang
2022-02-23 22:40 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-02-24 0:58 ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-09 2:01 ` Ming Lei
2022-06-09 2:28 ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-09 4:06 ` Ming Lei
2022-06-09 4:55 ` Gao Xiang
2022-06-10 1:52 ` Ming Lei
2022-07-28 8:23 ` Pavel Machek
2022-03-02 16:52 ` Mike Christie
2022-03-03 7:09 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-14 17:04 ` Mike Christie
2022-03-15 6:45 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-05 7:29 ` Dongsheng Yang
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