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From: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Brijesh Singh <brijesh.singh@amd.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 08/42] x86/sev-es: initialize sev_status/features within #VC handler
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:35:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211021003535.ic35p6nnxdmavw35@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YXBZYws8NnxiQJD7@zn.tnic>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 08:01:07PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:10:23AM -0500, Michael Roth wrote:
> > [Sorry for the wall of text, just trying to work through everything.]
> 
> And I'm going to respond in a couple of mails just for my own sanity.
> 
> > I'm not sure if this is pertaining to using the CPUID table prior to
> > sme_enable(), or just the #VC-based SEV MSR read. The following comments
> > assume the former. If that assumption is wrong you can basically ignore
> > the rest of this email :)
> 
> This is pertaining to me wanting to show you that the design of this SNP
> support needs to be sane and maintainable and every function needs to
> make sense not only now but in the future.

Absolutely.

> 
> In this particular example, we should set sev_status *once*, *before*
> anything accesses it so that it is prepared when something needs it. Not
> do a #VC and go, "oh, btw, is sev_status set? No? Ok, lemme set it."
> which basically means our design is seriously lacking.

Yes, taking a step back there are some things that could probably be
improved upon there.

currently:

  - boot kernel initializes sev_status in set_sev_encryption_mask()
  - run-time kernel initializes sev_status in sme_enable()

with this series the following are introduced:

  - boot kernel initializes sev_status on-demand in sev_snp_enabled()
    - initially used by snp_cpuid_init_boot(), which happens before
      set_sev_encryption_mask()
  - run-time kernel initializes sev_status on-demand via #VC handler
    - initially used by snp_cpuid_init(), which happens before
      sme_enable()

Fortunately, all the code makes use of sev_status to get at the SEV MSR
bits, so breaking the appropriate bits out of sme_enable() into an earlier
sev_init() routine that's the exclusive writer of sev_status sounds like a
promising approach.

It makes sense to do it immediately after the first #VC handler is set
up, so CPUID is available, and since that's where SNP CPUID table
initialization would need to happen if it's to be made available in
#VC handler.

It may even be similar enough between boot/compressed and run-time kernel
that it could be a shared routine in sev-shared.c. But then again it also
sounds like the appropriate place to move the snp_cpuid_init*() calls,
and locating the cc_blob, and since there's differences there it might make
sense to keep the boot/compressed and kernel proper sev_init() routines
separate to avoid #ifdeffery).

Not to get ahead of myself though. Just seems like a good starting point
for how to consolidate the various users.

> 
> And I had suggested a similar thing for TDX and tglx was 100% right in
> shooting it down because we do properly designed things - not, get stuff
> in so that vendor is happy and then, once the vendor programmers have
> disappeared to do their next enablement task, the maintainers get to mop
> up and maintain it forever.
> 
> Because this mopping up doesn't scale - trust me.

Got it, and my apologies if I've given you that impression as it's
certainly not my intent. (though I'm sure you've heard that before.)

> 
> > [The #VC-based SEV MSR read is not necessary for anything in sme_enable(),
> > it's simply a way to determine whether the guest is an SNP guest, without
> > any reliance on CPUID, which seemed useful in the context of doing some
> > additional sanity checks against the SNP CPUID table and determining that
> > it's appropriate to use it early on (rather than just trust that this is an
> > SNP guest by virtue of the CC blob being present, and then failing later
> > once sme_enable() checks for the SNP feature bits through the normal
> > mechanism, as was done in v5).]
> 
> So you need to make up your mind here design-wise, what you wanna do.
> 
> The proper thing to do would be, to detect *everything*, detect whether
> this is an SNP guest, yadda yadda, everything your code is going to need
> later on, and then be done with it.
> 
> Then you continue with the boot and now your other code queries
> everything that has been detected up til now and uses it.

Agreed, if we need to check SEV MSR early for the purposes of SNP it makes
sense to move the overall SEV feature detection code earlier as well. I
should have looked into that aspect more closely before introducing the
changes.

> 
> End of mail 1.
> 
> -- 
> Regards/Gruss,
>     Boris.
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-21  2:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-08 18:04 [PATCH v6 00/42] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) Guest Support Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 01/42] x86/mm: Extend cc_attr to include AMD SEV-SNP Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 02/42] x86/sev: Shorten GHCB terminate macro names Brijesh Singh
2021-10-11 13:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 03/42] x86/sev: Get rid of excessive use of defines Brijesh Singh
2021-10-11  8:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 04/42] x86/head64: Carve out the guest encryption postprocessing into a helper Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 05/42] x86/sev: Define the Linux specific guest termination reasons Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 06/42] x86/sev: Save the negotiated GHCB version Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 07/42] x86/sev: Add support for hypervisor feature VMGEXIT Brijesh Singh
2021-10-13 14:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 08/42] x86/sev-es: initialize sev_status/features within #VC handler Brijesh Singh
2021-10-18 14:29   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-18 18:40     ` Michael Roth
2021-10-18 19:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-20 16:10         ` Michael Roth
2021-10-20 18:01           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21  0:35             ` Michael Roth [this message]
2021-10-21 14:28               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-20 18:08           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21  2:05             ` Michael Roth
2021-10-21 14:39               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 23:00                 ` Michael Roth
2021-10-21 14:48           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 15:56             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-21 16:55               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 17:12                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-21 17:37                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 17:47                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-21 18:46                       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 21:34             ` Michael Roth
2021-10-21 14:51           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-21 20:41             ` Michael Roth
2021-10-25 11:04               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-25 16:35                 ` Michael Roth
2021-10-27 11:17                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-27 15:13                     ` Michael Roth
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 09/42] x86/sev: Check SEV-SNP features support Brijesh Singh
2021-10-19 14:47   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 10/42] x86/sev: Add a helper for the PVALIDATE instruction Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 11/42] x86/sev: Check the vmpl level Brijesh Singh
2021-10-28 15:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 12/42] x86/compressed: Add helper for validating pages in the decompression stage Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 13/42] x86/compressed: Register GHCB memory when SEV-SNP is active Brijesh Singh
2021-11-02 16:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 14/42] x86/sev: " Brijesh Singh
2021-11-02 16:53   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-02 18:24     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-02 18:44       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-03 20:10         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-04 13:58           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-04 15:26             ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-04 16:03               ` Boris Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 15/42] x86/sev: Remove do_early_exception() forward declarations Brijesh Singh
2021-11-02 16:54   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 16/42] x86/sev: Add helper for validating pages in early enc attribute changes Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 17/42] x86/kernel: Make the bss.decrypted section shared in RMP table Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 18/42] x86/kernel: Validate rom memory before accessing when SEV-SNP is active Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 19/42] x86/mm: Add support to validate memory when changing C-bit Brijesh Singh
2021-11-09 19:34   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-10 14:21     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-11-10 18:43       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-11-11 14:49         ` Tom Lendacky
2021-11-11 16:01           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 20/42] KVM: SVM: Define sev_features and vmpl field in the VMSA Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 21/42] KVM: SVM: Create a separate mapping for the SEV-ES save area Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 22/42] KVM: SVM: Create a separate mapping for the GHCB " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 23/42] KVM: SVM: Update the SEV-ES save area mapping Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 24/42] x86/sev: Use SEV-SNP AP creation to start secondary CPUs Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 25/42] x86/head: re-enable stack protection for 32/64-bit builds Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 26/42] x86/sev: move MSR-based VMGEXITs for CPUID to helper Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 27/42] KVM: x86: move lookup of indexed CPUID leafs " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 28/42] x86/compressed/acpi: move EFI system table lookup " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 29/42] x86/compressed/acpi: move EFI config " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 30/42] x86/compressed/acpi: move EFI vendor " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 31/42] x86/boot: Add Confidential Computing type to setup_data Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 32/42] x86/compressed/64: add support for SEV-SNP CPUID table in #VC handlers Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 33/42] boot/compressed/64: use firmware-validated CPUID for SEV-SNP guests Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 34/42] x86/boot: add a pointer to Confidential Computing blob in bootparams Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 35/42] x86/compressed/64: store Confidential Computing blob address " Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 36/42] x86/compressed/64: add identity mapping for Confidential Computing blob Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 37/42] x86/sev: use firmware-validated CPUID for SEV-SNP guests Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 38/42] x86/sev: Provide support for SNP guest request NAEs Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 39/42] x86/sev: Register SNP guest request platform device Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 40/42] virt: Add SEV-SNP guest driver Brijesh Singh
2021-10-10 17:51   ` Dov Murik
2021-10-13 11:37     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-20 21:33   ` Peter Gonda
2021-10-27 16:07     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-27 20:10       ` Peter Gonda
2021-10-27 20:47         ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-27 21:05           ` Peter Gonda
2021-10-27 21:12             ` Brijesh Singh
2021-10-27 21:15               ` Peter Gonda
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 41/42] virt: sevguest: Add support to derive key Brijesh Singh
2021-10-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v6 42/42] virt: sevguest: Add support to get extended report Brijesh Singh

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