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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH crypto-next v2 1/3] crypto: poly1305 - add new 32 and 64-bit generic versions
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 14:05:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9p-dBVbCBoX+p4n3meC5n_GjCuZgMiUfUqG2-G-wqLbyQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191213032849.GC1109@sol.localdomain>

Hi Eric,

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 4:28 AM Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org> wrote:
> Now, it's possible that the performance gain outweighs this, and I too would
> like to have the C implementation of Poly1305 be faster.  So if you'd like to
> argue for the performance gain, fine, and if there's a significant performance
> gain I don't have an objection.  But I'm not sure why you're at the same time
> trying to argue that *adding* an extra implementation somehow makes the code
> easier to audit and doesn't add complexity...

Sorry, I don't mean to be confusing, but I clearly haven't written
very well. There are two things being discussed here, 32-bit and
64-bit, rather than just one. Let me clarify:

- The motivation for the 64-bit version is primarily performance. Its
performance isn't really in dispute. It's significant and good. I'll
put this in the commit message of the next series I send out.

- The motivation for the 32-bit version is primarily to have code that
can be compared line by line to the 64-bit version, in order to make
auditing easier given the situation with two implementations and also
for general cleanliness. I think there's enormous value in having the
other implementation be "parallel". Rather than two totally different
and foreign implementations, we have two related and comparable ones.
That's a good thing.  As a *side note*, it might also be slightly
faster than the one it replaces, which is great and all I guess, but
not the primary motivation of the 32-bit version.

Does that make sense? That's why I appear to simultaneously be arguing
that performance matters and doesn't matter. The motivation for the
64-bit version is performance. The motivation for the 32-bit version
is cleanliness. Two things, which are related.

I'll make this clear in the commit message of the next series I send.
Sorry again for being confusing.

Jason

      parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-14 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-11 17:09 [PATCH crypto-next v1] crypto: poly1305 - add new 32 and 64-bit generic versions Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-11 19:06 ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-11 22:04   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12  9:30 ` [PATCH crypto-next v2 1/3] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12  9:30   ` [PATCH crypto-next v2 2/3] crypto: x86_64/poly1305 - add faster implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 10:26     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 15:34     ` Martin Willi
2019-12-12 15:39       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-15 17:04         ` Andy Polyakov
2019-12-12  9:30   ` [PATCH crypto-next v2 3/3] crypto: arm/arm64/mips/poly1305 - remove redundant non-reduction from emit Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 14:59     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-12-12 12:03   ` [PATCH crypto-next v2 1/3] crypto: poly1305 - add new 32 and 64-bit generic versions Martin Willi
2019-12-12 13:08     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 13:46       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 14:26         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-12-12 14:30           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-12 15:30             ` Martin Willi
2019-12-12 15:35               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-13  3:28                 ` Eric Biggers
2019-12-14  8:56                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-12-14 12:21                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-12-14 13:05                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]

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