From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Alessio Balsini <balsini@android.com>,
Peng Tao <bergwolf@gmail.com>,
Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
Antonio SJ Musumeci <trapexit@spawn.link>,
David Anderson <dvander@google.com>,
Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivan@redhat.com>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Martijn Coenen <maco@android.com>,
Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
Paul Lawrence <paullawrence@google.com>,
Stefano Duo <duostefano93@gmail.com>,
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fuse-devel <fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
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Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND V12 3/8] fuse: Definitions and ioctl for passthrough
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 18:39:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxjjPOtH9+r=oSV4iVAUvW6s3RBjA9qC73bQN1LhUqjRYQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegt4N2nmCQGmLSBB--NzuSSsO6Z0sue27biQd4aiSwvNFw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 5:22 PM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 15:26, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FWIW duplicate page cache exists in passthough FUSE whether
> > passthrough is in kernel or in userspace, but going through yet another
> > "switch" fs would make things even worse.
>
> I imagine the "switch" layer for a HSM would be simple enough:
>
> a) if file exists on fastest layer (upper) then take that
> b) if not then fall back to fuse layer (lower) .
>
> It's almost like a read-only overlayfs (no copy up) except it would be
> read-write and copy-up/down would be performed by the server as
> needed. No page cache duplication for upper, and AFAICS no corner
> cases that overlayfs has, since all layers are consistent (the fuse
> layer would reference the upper if that is currently the up-to-date
> one).
On recent LSF/MM/BPF, BPF developers asked me about using overlayfs
for something that looks like the above - merging of non overlapping layers
without any copy-up/down, but with write to lower.
I gave them the same solution (overlayfs without copy-up)
but I said I didn't know what you would think about this overlayfs mode
and I also pointed them to the eBPF-FUSE developers as another
possible solution to their use case.
>
> readdir would go to the layer which has the complete directory (which
> I guess the lower one must always have, but the upper could also).
>
> I'm probably missing lots of details, though...
>
That's what I said too :)
Does that mean that you are open to seeing patches for
an overlayfs mode that does not copy-up on write to lower?
I can come up with some semantics for readdir that will
make sense.
Thanks,
Amir.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-12 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-25 15:30 [PATCH RESEND V12 0/8] fuse: Add support for passthrough read/write Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 1/8] fs: Generic function to convert iocb to rw flags Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 16:46 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-03-24 7:43 ` Rokudo Yan
2021-03-24 14:02 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 2/8] fuse: 32-bit user space ioctl compat for fuse device Alessio Balsini
[not found] ` <CAMAHBGzkfEd9-1u0iKXp65ReJQgUi_=4sMpmfkwEOaMp6Ux7pg@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-27 13:40 ` Alessio Balsini
[not found] ` <CAMAHBGwpKW+30kNQ_Apt8A-FTmr94hBOzkT21cjEHHW+t7yUMQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-01-28 14:15 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-02-05 9:54 ` Peng Tao
2021-03-16 18:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-02-17 10:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-01 12:26 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-03-16 18:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-18 16:13 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-03-18 21:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-19 15:21 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 3/8] fuse: Definitions and ioctl for passthrough Alessio Balsini
2021-02-17 13:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-02-19 7:05 ` Peng Tao
2021-02-19 8:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-03-01 17:05 ` Alessio Balsini
2022-09-08 15:36 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-09 19:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-09-10 8:52 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-10 13:03 ` Bernd Schubert
2022-09-12 9:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-09-12 12:29 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-12 13:03 ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-09-12 13:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-09-12 13:26 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-12 14:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2022-09-12 15:39 ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2022-09-12 17:43 ` Hao Luo
2022-09-12 18:28 ` Overlayfs with writable lower layer Amir Goldstein
2022-09-13 18:26 ` Hao Luo
2022-09-13 18:54 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-13 20:33 ` Hao Luo
2022-09-14 3:46 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-14 18:00 ` Hao Luo
2022-09-14 19:23 ` Amir Goldstein
2022-09-14 19:33 ` Hao Luo
2022-09-15 10:54 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-05-12 19:37 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 3/8] fuse: Definitions and ioctl for passthrough Amir Goldstein
2023-05-15 7:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-05-15 14:00 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-05-15 20:16 ` [fuse-devel] " Nikolaus Rath
2023-05-15 21:11 ` Bernd Schubert
2023-05-15 21:45 ` Paul Lawrence
2023-05-16 8:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-05-16 10:16 ` Nikolaus Rath
2023-05-16 8:48 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 4/8] fuse: Passthrough initialization and release Alessio Balsini
2021-02-17 13:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-05-05 12:21 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-05-17 11:36 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-05-17 13:21 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 5/8] fuse: Introduce synchronous read and write for passthrough Alessio Balsini
2021-02-17 14:00 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 6/8] fuse: Handle asynchronous read and write in passthrough Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 7/8] fuse: Use daemon creds in passthrough mode Alessio Balsini
2021-02-05 9:23 ` Peng Tao
2021-02-05 11:21 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-01-25 15:30 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 8/8] fuse: Introduce passthrough for mmap Alessio Balsini
2021-02-17 14:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-04-01 11:24 ` Alessio Balsini
2021-11-18 18:31 ` [PATCH RESEND V12 0/8] fuse: Add support for passthrough read/write Amir Goldstein
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