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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v9 12/13] xpfo, mm: Defer TLB flushes for non-current CPUs (x86 only)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 09:24:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C1253C86-DD1F-469F-9B5E-ED7AA9FBEE4D@amacapital.net> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190405152401.09Tg5SOU4YLQ4aOp95oWHKv41_R8jw8mhACDQWlqOro@z> (raw)
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>>> On Apr 4, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/3/19 10:10 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:36 AM Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> XPFO flushes kernel space TLB entries for pages that are now mapped
>>> in userspace on not only the current CPU but also all other CPUs
>>> synchronously. Processes on each core allocating pages causes a
>>> flood of IPI messages to all other cores to flush TLB entries.
>>> Many of these messages are to flush the entire TLB on the core if
>>> the number of entries being flushed from local core exceeds
>>> tlb_single_page_flush_ceiling. The cost of TLB flush caused by
>>> unmapping pages from physmap goes up dramatically on machines with
>>> high core count.
>>> 
>>> This patch flushes relevant TLB entries for current process or
>>> entire TLB depending upon number of entries for the current CPU
>>> and posts a pending TLB flush on all other CPUs when a page is
>>> unmapped from kernel space and mapped in userspace. Each core
>>> checks the pending TLB flush flag for itself on every context
>>> switch, flushes its TLB if the flag is set and clears it.
>>> This patch potentially aggregates multiple TLB flushes into one.
>>> This has very significant impact especially on machines with large
>>> core counts.
>> 
>> Why is this a reasonable strategy?
> 
> Ideally when pages are unmapped from physmap, all CPUs would be sent IPI
> synchronously to flush TLB entry for those pages immediately. This may
> be ideal from correctness and consistency point of view, but it also
> results in IPI storm and repeated TLB flushes on all processors. Any
> time a page is allocated to userspace, we are going to go through this
> and it is very expensive. On a 96-core server, performance degradation
> is 26x!!

Indeed. XPFO is expensive.

> 
> When xpfo unmaps a page from physmap only (after mapping the page in
> userspace in response to an allocation request from userspace) on one
> processor, there is a small window of opportunity for ret2dir attack on
> other cpus until the TLB entry in physmap for the unmapped pages on
> other cpus is cleared.

Why do you think this window is small? Intervals of seconds to months between context switches aren’t unheard of.

And why is a small window like this even helpful?  For a ret2dir attack, you just need to get CPU A to allocate a page and write the ret2dir payload and then get CPU B to return to it before context switching.  This should be doable quite reliably.

So I don’t really have a suggestion, but I think that a 44% regression to get a weak defense like this doesn’t seem worthwhile.  I bet that any of a number of CFI techniques (RAP-like or otherwise) will be cheaper and protect against ret2dir better.  And they’ll also protect against using other kernel memory as a stack buffer.  There are plenty of those — think pipe buffers, network buffers, any page cache not covered by XPFO, XMM/YMM saved state, etc.
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Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-03 17:34 [RFC PATCH v9 00/13] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 11/13] xpfo, mm: optimize spinlock usage in xpfo_kunmap Khalid Aziz
     [not found]   ` <5bab13e12d4215112ad2180106cc6bb9b513754a.1554248002.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  7:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 16:06       ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found] ` <cover.1554248001.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 01/13] mm: add MAP_HUGETLB support to vm_mmap Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 02/13] x86: always set IF before oopsing from page fault Khalid Aziz
     [not found]     ` <e6c57f675e5b53d4de266412aa526b7660c47918.1554248002.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  0:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrXvwuwkVSJ+S5s7wTBkNNj3fRVxpx9BvsXWrT=3ZdRnCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  1:42           ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04  4:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]               ` <CALCETrVp37Xo3EMHkeedP1zxUMf9og=mceBa8c55e1F4G1DRSQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 15:47                 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04 16:23                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-04-04 16:28                   ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1904041822320.1802-ecDvlHI5BZPZikZi3RtOZ1XZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 17:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 03/13] mm: Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Khalid Aziz
     [not found]     ` <f1ac3700970365fb979533294774af0b0dd84b3b.1554248002.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  7:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20190404072152.GN4038-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  9:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 14:48           ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04  7:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20190404074323.GO4038-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 15:15           ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]             ` <b414bacc-2883-1914-38ec-3d8f4a032e10-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 17:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-17 16:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 16:15       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]       ` <20190417161042.GA43453-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-17 16:49         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 16:49           ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 17:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:09             ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:19             ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 17:19               ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 17:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:44                 ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 17:44                   ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 21:19                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 21:19                     ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1904172317460.3174-ecDvlHI5BZPZikZi3RtOZ1XZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-17 23:18                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-17 23:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-17 23:42                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 23:42                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 23:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-17 23:52                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-18  4:41                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-18  4:41                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-18  5:41                               ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18  5:41                                 ` Kees Cook via iommu
2019-04-18 14:34                                 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-18 14:34                                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-22 19:30                                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-22 19:30                                     ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]                                   ` <8f9d059d-e720-cd24-faa6-45493fc012e0-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-22 22:23                                     ` Kees Cook via iommu
2019-04-22 22:23                                       ` Kees Cook via iommu
     [not found]                             ` <CAHk-=whUwOjFW6RjHVM8kNOv1QVLJuHj2Dda0=mpLPdJ1UyatQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-18  6:14                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-18  6:14                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 17:33             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 17:33               ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 19:49               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-17 19:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrXFzWFMrV-zDa4QFjB=4WnC9RZmorBko65dLGhymDpeQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-17 19:52                   ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-17 19:52                     ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-17 20:12                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 20:12                     ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-01 14:49           ` Waiman Long
2019-05-01 14:49             ` Waiman Long
2019-05-01 15:18             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-01 15:18               ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 04/13] xpfo, x86: Add support for XPFO for x86-64 Khalid Aziz
     [not found]     ` <c15e7d09dfe3dfdb9947d39ed0ddd6573ff86dbf.1554248002.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  7:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20190404075206.GP4038-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 15:40           ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 05/13] mm: add a user_virt_to_phys symbol Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 06/13] lkdtm: Add test for XPFO Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 07/13] arm64/mm: Add support " Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 08/13] swiotlb: Map the buffer if it was unmapped by XPFO Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 09/13] xpfo: add primitives for mapping underlying memory Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 10/13] arm64/mm, xpfo: temporarily map dcache regions Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 12/13] xpfo, mm: Defer TLB flushes for non-current CPUs (x86 only) Khalid Aziz
     [not found]     ` <4495dda4bfc4a06b3312cc4063915b306ecfaecb.1554248002.git.khalid.aziz-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04  4:10       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrXMXxnWqN94d83UvGWhkD1BNWiwvH2vsUth1w0T3=0ywQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-04 22:55           ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]             ` <91f1dbce-332e-25d1-15f6-0e9cfc8b797b-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05  7:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.21.1904050909520.1802-ecDvlHI5BZPZikZi3RtOZ1XZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 14:44                   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                     ` <26b00051-b03c-9fce-1446-52f0d6ed52f8-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 15:24                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 15:24                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                         ` <DFA69954-3F0F-4B79-A9B5-893D33D87E51-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 15:56                           ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-05 15:56                             ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-05 16:32                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 16:32                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 15:56                           ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:56                             ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 16:01                           ` Dave Hansen
2019-04-05 16:01                             ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                             ` <36b999d4-adf6-08a3-2897-d77b9cba20f8-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 16:27                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 16:27                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                 ` <E0BBD625-6FE0-4A8A-884B-E10FAFC3319E-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 16:41                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-05 16:41                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-05 17:35                                   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 17:35                                     ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:44                       ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:44                         ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:24               ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-04-05 15:24                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-04  8:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-03 17:34   ` [RFC PATCH v9 13/13] xpfo, mm: Optimize XPFO TLB flushes by batching them together Khalid Aziz
2019-04-06  6:40   ` [RFC PATCH v9 00/13] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Jon Masters
2019-04-06  6:40     ` Jon Masters

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