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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>, <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Pierre Ossman <drzeus-mmc@drzeus.cx>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Re: using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:27:12 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803031422080.3611-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080303174422.GB13869@elf.ucw.cz>

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Pavel Machek wrote:

> Ok... can we get Alan Stern's patch into Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
> , then? I was not aware of this, and there seems to be lot of
> confusion around...
> 
> Plus... I really don't think we can "just access" this as normal
> pointers... due to the compiler issues Alan Cox mentioned, and due to
> the ACCESS_ONCE() issue.

Here's an updated version of the patch, including the issue Alan Cox 
brought up.

Alan Stern

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Atomicity of reads of write for pointers and integral types (other than 
long long) should be documented, along with the limitations imposed by 
the compiler.

Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>

---

Index: usb-2.6/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
===================================================================
--- usb-2.6.orig/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
+++ usb-2.6/Documentation/atomic_ops.txt
@@ -21,6 +21,24 @@ local_t is very similar to atomic_t. If 
 updated by one CPU, local_t is probably more appropriate. Please see
 Documentation/local_ops.txt for the semantics of local_t.
 
+For all properly-aligned pointer and integral types other than long
+long, the kernel requires simple reads and writes to be atomic with
+respect to each other.  That is, if one CPU reads a pointer value at
+the same time as another CPU overwrites the pointer, it is guaranteed
+that the reader will obtain either the old or the new value of the
+pointer, never some mish-mash combination of the two.  Likewise, if
+one CPU writes a long value at the same time as another CPU does, it
+is guaranteed that one or the other of the values will end up stored
+in memory, not some mish-mash combination of bits.
+
+Thus, if all you need is atomicity of reading and writing then you can
+use plain old ints, longs, or pointers; you don't need to use
+atomic_t.  But note: This guarantee emphatically does not apply to
+long long values or unaligned values!  Note also that gcc does not
+guarantee to compile all C assignment expressions into simple writes.
+For example, a statement like "x = a + b" might cause gcc to emit code
+equivalent to "x = a; x += b", which is decidedly non-atomic.
+
 The first operations to implement for atomic_t's are the initializers and
 plain reads.
 


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-03 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080219232338.E9A24108068@picon.linux-foundation.org>
2008-02-20 16:42 ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Alan Stern
2008-02-20 17:30   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-20 19:26     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 20:51       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-20 20:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 21:06         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 22:15           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 22:24             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-20 22:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:02               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 16:27                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-21 16:38                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 17:48                     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-21 22:47                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 23:05                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-23  1:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  4:39                             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-23 20:16                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 23:29                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24  0:19                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24  3:25                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24  4:26                                       ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2008-02-24 14:00                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 15:33                                           ` Bugs in MMC [was: [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted] Alan Stern
2008-02-25 17:41                                             ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-25 17:58                                               ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25 18:31                                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-25 20:00                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-03-01 14:11                                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-01 14:36                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-03-01 14:47                                                         ` Pierre Ossman
2008-02-25 22:51                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2008-03-03 21:59                                               ` David Brownell
2008-03-04  6:03                                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-04  9:44                                                   ` David Brownell
2008-03-04  9:58                                                     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-03-06 21:23                                                       ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 17:53                                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-03-04 18:53                                                       ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 19:51                                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-03-04 20:30                                                           ` David Brownell
2008-03-04 21:00                                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-03-06 15:55                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-06 20:33                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-06 20:53                                                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-03-06 21:31                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-04 17:50                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 13:33                                       ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 20:25                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 20:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 20:56                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 21:11                                               ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 22:18                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 13:51                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 19:27                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 19:42                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-02-24 20:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 18:21                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 19:03                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 20:11                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 20:33                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-02-24 21:42                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 22:21                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-25  2:21                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25 11:41                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                                                       ` <c4e36d110802250402q7312a488idf752e07db7504e8@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-25 12:31                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-25  2:19                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-02-25  9:03                                                   ` using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required (was Re: [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted) Pavel Machek
2008-02-25 14:46                                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 12:08                                                       ` [patch] Re: using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 15:42                                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 15:53                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:11                                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-03-03 17:26                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-03 17:44                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 19:27                                                                   ` Alan Stern [this message]
2008-03-06 15:58                                                                 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-06 16:11                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-06 16:27                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-03 17:16                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 17:31                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 17:33                                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:22                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 15:48                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-03 17:24                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-03 20:27                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-03 21:12                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-03-03 22:23                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-04 23:32                                                             ` Peter Hartley
2008-03-04 23:54                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-05  0:26                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-25 11:40                                                   ` [Bug 10030] Suspend doesn't work when SD card is inserted Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-05 17:07 [patch] Re: using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read is required Matti Linnanvuori

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