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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>
Cc: Iurii Zaikin <yzaikin@google.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>,
	Matthias Maennich <maennich@google.com>, shuah <shuah@kernel.org>,
	John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	David Gow <davidgow@google.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	KUnit Development <kunit-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	"open list:KERNEL SELFTEST FRAMEWORK" 
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mike Salvatore <mike.salvatore@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH linux-kselftest/test v1] apparmor: add AppArmor KUnit tests for policy unpack
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:40:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201910311136.BBC4C70B@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFd5g446cyijzgap9r8nm_202zkUsfdZXrn5E1_Mfe-R+eFb_g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 02:33:32AM -0700, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> 2) One of the layers in your program is too think, and you should
> introduce a new layer with a new public interface that you can test
> through.
> 
> I think the second point here is problematic with how C is written in
> the kernel. We don't really have any concept of public vs. private
> inside the kernel outside of static vs. not static, which is much more
> restricted.

I don't find "2" to be a convincing argument (as you hint a bit at in
the next paragraph)_. There are lots of things code is depending on
(especially given the kernel's coding style guides about breaking up
large functions into little ones), that you want to test to make sure
is working correctly that has no public exposure, and you want to test
those helper's corner cases which might be hard to (currently) reach via
the higher level public APIs.

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-31 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-18  0:18 Brendan Higgins
2019-10-18  0:33 ` Iurii Zaikin
2019-10-30 18:59   ` Kees Cook
2019-11-06  0:35     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-11-06  0:37       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-18  0:43 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-18 16:25   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-18 21:41     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-30 19:02       ` Kees Cook
2019-10-31  9:01         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-18 12:29 ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-10-19 12:56   ` Alan Maguire
2019-10-19 18:36     ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-10-24  0:42     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-24 10:15       ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-10-30 19:09         ` Kees Cook
2019-10-30 20:11           ` Iurii Zaikin
2019-10-31  1:40             ` John Johansen
2019-10-31  9:33             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-31 18:40               ` Kees Cook [this message]
2019-11-05 16:43               ` Mike Salvatore
2019-11-05 23:59                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-10-31  1:37           ` John Johansen
2019-10-31  9:17           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-11-01 12:30             ` Alan Maguire
2019-11-05 23:44               ` Brendan Higgins

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