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From: Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>
To: LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>,
	Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>,
	"Stuart D. Gathman" <stuart@gathman.org>
Cc: "Dalebjörk, Tomas" <tomas.dalebjork@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:37:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13d450bf-f6ad-7db8-eec1-88c4eb473287@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0fde933f-1e8d-60de-cada-4a49a67129c4@assyoma.it>

Dne 23. 10. 19 v 16:37 Gionatan Danti napsal(a):
> On 23/10/19 14:59, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>> Dne 23. 10. 19 v 13:08 Gionatan Danti napsal(a):
>>> Talking about thin snapshot, an obvious performance optimization which 
>>> seems to not be implemented is to skip reading source data when overwriting 
>>> in larger-than-chunksize blocks.
> 
> "For example, consider a completely filled 64k chunk thin volume (with 
> thinpool having ample free space). Snapshotting it and writing a 4k block on 
> origin will obviously cause a read of the original 64k chunk, an in-memory 
> change of the 4k block and a write of the entire modified 64k block to a new 
> location. But writing, say, a 1 MB block should *not* cause the same read on 
> source: after all, the read data will be immediately discarded, overwritten by 
> the changed 1 MB block."
> 
> I would expect that such large-block *thin* snapshot rewrite behavior would 
> not cause a read/modify/write, but it really does.
> 
> Is this a low-hanging fruit or there are more fundamental problem avoiding 
> read/modify/write in this case?

Hi

If you use 1MiB chunksize for thin-pool and you use  'dd' with proper bs size
and you write 'aligned' on 1MiB boundary (be sure you user  directIO, so you 
are not a victim of some page cache flushing...) - there should not be any 
useless read.

If you still do see such read - and you can easily reproduce this with latest 
kernel - report a bug please with your reproducer and results.

Regards

Zdenek

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-23 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-22 10:47 [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 13:57 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 15:29   ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 15:36     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 16:13       ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-23 10:26         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:56           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 16:15       ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-22 17:02         ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 21:38         ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-22 22:53           ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-23  6:58             ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 10:06               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 10:12             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:46         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 11:08           ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 11:24             ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 11:26               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-24 16:01               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-25 16:31                 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04  5:54                   ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 10:07                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 14:40                       ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 15:04                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 17:28                           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-05 16:24                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-05 16:40                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-05 20:56                           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-06  9:22                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-07 16:54                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-07 17:29                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:09                                 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:37                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 13:09                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-07 14:14                                     ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 14:17                                       ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 16:34                                         ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 16:42                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 17:37                                             ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 17:50                                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-08 12:32                                                 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 19:56                                             ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 20:22                                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 21:02                                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 12:12             ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:20             ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 13:05               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:40                 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:46                   ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:59             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:37               ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:37                 ` Zdenek Kabelac [this message]
2019-10-23 17:16                   ` Gionatan Danti

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