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From: "Tomas Dalebjörk" <tomas.dalebjork@gmail.com>
To: Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>
Cc: Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>,
	LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:24:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACrcyfLZk6iJY+Zwtcb6cSSeR4SEhsXEerxYg_8yqKxqHx+uDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f73ab6ce-ba22-34f8-7153-e876b13fab5c@assyoma.it>

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I have tested FusionIO together with old thick snapshots.
I created the thick snapshot on a separate old traditional SATA drive, just
to check if that could be used as a snapshot target for high performance
disks; like a Fusion IO card.
For those who doesn't know about FusionIO; they can deal with 150-250,000
IOPS.

And to be honest, I couldn't bottle neck the SATA disk I used as a thick
snapshot target.
The reason for why is simple:
- thick snapshots uses sequential write techniques

If I would have been using thin snapshots, than the writes would most
likely be more randomized on disk, which would have required more spindles
to coop with this.

Anyhow;
I am still eager to hear how to use an external device to import snapshots.
And when I say "import"; I am not talking about copyback, more to use to
read data from.

Regards Tomas

Den ons 23 okt. 2019 kl 13:08 skrev Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>:

> On 23/10/19 12:46, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
> > Just few 'comments' - it's not really comparable - the efficiency of
> > thin-pool metadata outperforms old snapshot in BIG way (there is no
> > point to talk about snapshots that takes just couple of MiB)
>
> Yes, this matches my experience.
>
> > There is also BIG difference about the usage of old snapshot origin and
> > snapshot.
> >
> > COW of old snapshot effectively cuts performance 1/2 if you write to
> > origin.
>
> If used without non-volatile RAID controller, 1/2 is generous - I
> measured performance as low as 1/5 (with fat snapshot).
>
> Talking about thin snapshot, an obvious performance optimization which
> seems to not be implemented is to skip reading source data when
> overwriting in larger-than-chunksize blocks.
>
> For example, consider a completely filled 64k chunk thin volume (with
> thinpool having ample free space). Snapshotting it and writing a 4k
> block on origin will obviously cause a read of the original 64k chunk,
> an in-memory change of the 4k block and a write of the entire modified
> 64k block to a new location. But writing, say, a 1 MB block should *not*
> cause the same read on source: after all, the read data will be
> immediately discarded, overwritten by the changed 1 MB block.
>
> However, my testing shows that source chunks are always read, even when
> completely overwritten.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --
> Danti Gionatan
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> Assyoma S.r.l. - www.assyoma.it
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>

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-23 11:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-22 10:47 [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 13:57 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 15:29   ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 15:36     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 16:13       ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-23 10:26         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:56           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 16:15       ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-22 17:02         ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 21:38         ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-22 22:53           ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-23  6:58             ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 10:06               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 10:12             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:46         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 11:08           ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 11:24             ` Tomas Dalebjörk [this message]
2019-10-23 11:26               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-24 16:01               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-25 16:31                 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04  5:54                   ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 10:07                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 14:40                       ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 15:04                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 17:28                           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-05 16:24                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-05 16:40                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-05 20:56                           ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-06  9:22                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-07 16:54                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-07 17:29                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:09                                 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:37                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 13:09                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-07 14:14                                     ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 14:17                                       ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 16:34                                         ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 16:42                                           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 17:37                                             ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 17:50                                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-08 12:32                                                 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 19:56                                             ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 20:22                                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 21:02                                               ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 12:12             ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:20             ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 13:05               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:40                 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:46                   ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:59             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:37               ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:37                 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 17:16                   ` Gionatan Danti

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