From: "Tomas Dalebjörk" <tomas.dalebjork@gmail.com>
To: Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>
Cc: Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>,
LVM general discussion and development <linux-lvm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:24:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACrcyfLZk6iJY+Zwtcb6cSSeR4SEhsXEerxYg_8yqKxqHx+uDQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f73ab6ce-ba22-34f8-7153-e876b13fab5c@assyoma.it>
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I have tested FusionIO together with old thick snapshots.
I created the thick snapshot on a separate old traditional SATA drive, just
to check if that could be used as a snapshot target for high performance
disks; like a Fusion IO card.
For those who doesn't know about FusionIO; they can deal with 150-250,000
IOPS.
And to be honest, I couldn't bottle neck the SATA disk I used as a thick
snapshot target.
The reason for why is simple:
- thick snapshots uses sequential write techniques
If I would have been using thin snapshots, than the writes would most
likely be more randomized on disk, which would have required more spindles
to coop with this.
Anyhow;
I am still eager to hear how to use an external device to import snapshots.
And when I say "import"; I am not talking about copyback, more to use to
read data from.
Regards Tomas
Den ons 23 okt. 2019 kl 13:08 skrev Gionatan Danti <g.danti@assyoma.it>:
> On 23/10/19 12:46, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
> > Just few 'comments' - it's not really comparable - the efficiency of
> > thin-pool metadata outperforms old snapshot in BIG way (there is no
> > point to talk about snapshots that takes just couple of MiB)
>
> Yes, this matches my experience.
>
> > There is also BIG difference about the usage of old snapshot origin and
> > snapshot.
> >
> > COW of old snapshot effectively cuts performance 1/2 if you write to
> > origin.
>
> If used without non-volatile RAID controller, 1/2 is generous - I
> measured performance as low as 1/5 (with fat snapshot).
>
> Talking about thin snapshot, an obvious performance optimization which
> seems to not be implemented is to skip reading source data when
> overwriting in larger-than-chunksize blocks.
>
> For example, consider a completely filled 64k chunk thin volume (with
> thinpool having ample free space). Snapshotting it and writing a 4k
> block on origin will obviously cause a read of the original 64k chunk,
> an in-memory change of the 4k block and a write of the entire modified
> 64k block to a new location. But writing, say, a 1 MB block should *not*
> cause the same read on source: after all, the read data will be
> immediately discarded, overwritten by the changed 1 MB block.
>
> However, my testing shows that source chunks are always read, even when
> completely overwritten.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-23 11:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-22 10:47 [linux-lvm] exposing snapshot block device Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 13:57 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 15:29 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-22 15:36 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-22 16:13 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2019-10-23 10:26 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:56 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 16:15 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-22 17:02 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-22 21:38 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-22 22:53 ` Stuart D. Gathman
2019-10-23 6:58 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 10:06 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 10:12 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 10:46 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 11:08 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 11:24 ` Tomas Dalebjörk [this message]
2019-10-23 11:26 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-24 16:01 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-25 16:31 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 5:54 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 10:07 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 14:40 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-04 15:04 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-04 17:28 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-05 16:24 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-05 16:40 ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-05 20:56 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-11-06 9:22 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-11-07 16:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2019-11-07 17:29 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:09 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-04 12:37 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 13:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2020-09-07 14:14 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 14:17 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 16:34 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 16:42 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-07 17:37 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 17:50 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2020-09-08 12:32 ` Dalebjörk, Tomas
2020-09-07 19:56 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 20:22 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2020-09-07 21:02 ` Tomas Dalebjörk
2019-10-23 12:12 ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:20 ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 13:05 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:40 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:46 ` Ilia Zykov
2019-10-23 12:59 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 14:37 ` Gionatan Danti
2019-10-23 15:37 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-10-23 17:16 ` Gionatan Danti
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