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From: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: GavinSmith0123@gmail.com, dirk@gouders.net,
	alx.manpages@gmail.com, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	help-texinfo@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A less presumptive .info? (was: Re: Playground pager lsp(1))
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:14:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs9bu8b5.fsf@aarsen.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r0sxqvg6.fsf@gnu.org>

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Gavin will tell, but AFAIU our plan is to develop js as the means
> towards the goals you mentioned.  That will allow using HTML browsers
> to read Texinfo documentation without losing the functionalities of
> the Info readers we value.  HTML rendering reflows as integral part of
> its workings, so that problem is not an issue if this plan succeeds.

Sure, but how will this work with the standalone and/or Emacs viewers?

In Emacs, doing so places a strain on the HTML generator to work around
eww, and presuming we choose to do that, it requires the user to have
Emacs.

In the non-Emacs case, it requires that the implementor implement at
least a subset of HTML, or places a demand on the user to have a web
browser (in which, there are two extremes: either the 'underimplemented
and insufficient' ones for which JS as glue won't work, or full browsers
which aren't accessible in many scenarios).

On the other hand, having a more advanced format based on s-exprs for
info at rest storage could let us have complete information about the
intended markup of the text to be displayed with only two syntactic
elements (lists and strings).  That should be rather easy to parse.

I don't see it as very viable to replace an implementable info storage
format with only HTML for that reason.

I have TODO.HTML open on my workstation to take a look through some of
those when I get back home.  I do believe that it's a high priority
target, as it is very important to newcommers to GNU who are viewing GNU
documentation from remote servers, but I doubt it can replace a native
Info format.
-- 
Arsen Arsenović

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-07 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-25 20:37 Playground pager lsp(1) Dirk Gouders
2023-03-25 20:47 ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-04 23:45   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-05  5:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  1:10       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06  8:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  8:48           ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 22:01           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08  7:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 13:02               ` Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 13:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 16:06                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 13:47                 ` Colin Watson
2023-04-08 15:42                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 19:48                   ` Accessibility of man pages Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 20:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 20:46                       ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 21:53                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 22:33                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 10:28                       ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-08 20:31                     ` Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-08 20:59                       ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 22:39                         ` Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-09  9:50                           ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-09 10:35                             ` Dirk Gouders
     [not found]                 ` <87a5zhwntt.fsf@ada>
2023-04-09 12:05                   ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 12:17                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 18:55                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-09 12:29                     ` Colin Watson
2023-04-09 13:36                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 13:47                         ` Compressed man pages Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12  8:13                     ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Sam James
2023-04-12  8:32                       ` Compressed man pages Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12 10:35                         ` Mingye Wang
2023-04-12 10:55                           ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12 13:04                       ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Kerin Millar
2023-04-12 14:24                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-12 18:52                           ` Mingye Wang
2023-04-12 20:23                             ` Compressed man pages Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-13 10:09                             ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-07  2:18         ` Playground pager lsp(1) G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-07  6:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-07 11:03             ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 14:43             ` man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-07 15:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-07 15:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2023-04-07 17:07                 ` man page rendering speed Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-07 19:04                 ` man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 19:28                   ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 20:43                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 16:08               ` Colin Watson
2023-04-08 11:24               ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-07 21:26           ` reformatting man pages at SIGWINCH " Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 22:09             ` reformatting man pages at SIGWINCH Dirk Gouders
2023-04-07 22:16               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-10 19:05                 ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-10 19:57                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-10 20:24                   ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-11  9:20                     ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-11  9:39                     ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-17  6:23                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-08 11:40               ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-05 10:02     ` Playground pager lsp(1) Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 14:19       ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-05 18:01         ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 19:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-05 19:56             ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 20:38             ` A less presumptive .info? (was: Re: Playground pager lsp(1)) Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-06  8:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  8:56                 ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 13:14                 ` Arsen Arsenović [this message]
2023-04-06  1:31       ` Playground pager lsp(1) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06  6:01         ` Dirk Gouders

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