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From: Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123@gmail.com>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
	dirk@gouders.net, cjwatson@debian.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	help-texinfo@gnu.org, groff@gnu.org
Subject: Re: man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1))
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 20:28:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZDBu3WaAFbieenFD@starmint> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6ceff74-0c75-044c-6d12-756ac38c0738@gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> $ time man -w gcc | xargs zcat | groff -man -Tutf8 2>/dev/null >/dev/null
> 
> real	0m0.406s
> user	0m0.534s
> sys	0m0.042s
> 
> But as others said, I don't really care about the time it takes to format
> the entire document, but rather the first 24 lines, which is more like
> instantaneous (per your own definition of ~0.5 s).

Here's a sample comparison of "man" versus "info" on my system
(relevant as help-texinfo@gnu.org is being copied into this
discussion):

$ time info gcc > temp

real    0m0.112s
user    0m0.085s
sys     0m0.017s
$ ls -l temp
-rw-rw-r-- 1 g g 3.0M Apr  7 20:14 temp
$ time man gcc > temp
troff: <standard input>:11612: warning [p 111, 6.0i]: can't break line
troff: <standard input>:11660: warning [p 111, 13.8i]: can't break line

real    0m0.620s
user    0m1.004s
sys     0m0.114s
$ ls -l temp
-rw-rw-r-- 1 g g 1.2M Apr  7 20:16 temp

I find the startup of "info" to be instantaneous, whereas man pages often
have a noticeable delay.

Doubtless man would have more comparable runtimes were cat pages being used.

Being able to reformat the text for arbitrary widths is of limited use,
in my opinion, as text becomes more unreadable at long line lengths.  I
suppose cat pages could be provided in a series of sensible widths.  (The
same is true in theory for Info, but I've never heard of anybody using
widths for Info output other than the default 72 columns.)

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-07 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-25 20:37 Playground pager lsp(1) Dirk Gouders
2023-03-25 20:47 ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-04 23:45   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-05  5:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  1:10       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06  8:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  8:48           ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 22:01           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08  7:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 13:02               ` Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 13:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 16:06                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 13:47                 ` Colin Watson
2023-04-08 15:42                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 19:48                   ` Accessibility of man pages Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 20:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 20:46                       ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 21:53                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-08 22:33                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 10:28                       ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-08 20:31                     ` Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-08 20:59                       ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-08 22:39                         ` Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-09  9:50                           ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-09 10:35                             ` Dirk Gouders
     [not found]                 ` <87a5zhwntt.fsf@ada>
2023-04-09 12:05                   ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 12:17                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 18:55                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-09 12:29                     ` Colin Watson
2023-04-09 13:36                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-09 13:47                         ` Compressed man pages Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12  8:13                     ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Sam James
2023-04-12  8:32                       ` Compressed man pages Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12 10:35                         ` Mingye Wang
2023-04-12 10:55                           ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-12 13:04                       ` Compressed man pages (was: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1))) Kerin Millar
2023-04-12 14:24                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-12 18:52                           ` Mingye Wang
2023-04-12 20:23                             ` Compressed man pages Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-13 10:09                             ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-07  2:18         ` Playground pager lsp(1) G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-07  6:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-07 11:03             ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 14:43             ` man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-07 15:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-07 15:08                 ` Larry McVoy
2023-04-07 17:07                 ` man page rendering speed Ingo Schwarze
2023-04-07 19:04                 ` man page rendering speed (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 19:28                   ` Gavin Smith [this message]
2023-04-07 20:43                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 16:08               ` Colin Watson
2023-04-08 11:24               ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-07 21:26           ` reformatting man pages at SIGWINCH " Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-07 22:09             ` reformatting man pages at SIGWINCH Dirk Gouders
2023-04-07 22:16               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-10 19:05                 ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-10 19:57                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-10 20:24                   ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-11  9:20                     ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-11  9:39                     ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-17  6:23                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-04-08 11:40               ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-04-05 10:02     ` Playground pager lsp(1) Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 14:19       ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-05 18:01         ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 19:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-05 19:56             ` Dirk Gouders
2023-04-05 20:38             ` A less presumptive .info? (was: Re: Playground pager lsp(1)) Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-06  8:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-06  8:56                 ` Gavin Smith
2023-04-07 13:14                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-06  1:31       ` Playground pager lsp(1) Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06  6:01         ` Dirk Gouders

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