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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: userfaultfd: usability issue due to lack of UFFD events ordering
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:48:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11831b20-0b46-92df-885a-1220430f9257@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yfe9JS47vCQv6R1l@kernel.org>

On 31.01.22 11:42, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> Hi Nadav,
> 
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 10:23:55PM -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
>> Using userfautlfd and looking at the kernel code, I encountered a usability
>> issue that complicates userspace UFFD-monitor implementation. I obviosuly
>> might be wrong, so I would appreciate a (polite?) feedback. I do have a
>> userspace workaround, but I thought it is worthy to share and to hear your
>> opinion, as well as feedback from other UFFD users.
>>
>> The issue I encountered regards the ordering of UFFD events tbat might not
>> reflect the actual order in which events took place.
>>
>> In more detail, UFFD events (e.g., unmap, fork) are not ordered against
>> themselves [*]. The mm-lock is dropped before notifying the userspace
>> UFFD-monitor, and therefore there is no guarantee as to whether the order of
>> the events actually reflects the order in which the events took place.
>> This can prevent a UFFD-monitor from using the events to track which
>> ranges are mapped. Specifically, UFFD_EVENT_FORK message and a
>> UFFD_EVENT_UNMAP message (which reflects unmap in the parent process) can
>> be reordered, if the events are triggered by two different threads. In
>> this case the UFFD-monitor cannot figure from the events whether the
>> child process has the unmapped memory range still mapped (because fork
>> happened first) or not.
> 
> Yeah, it seems that something like this is possible:
> 
> 
> fork()					munmap()
> 	mmap_write_unlock();
> 						mmap_write_lock_killable();
> 						do_things();
> 						mmap_{read,write}_unlock();
> 						userfaultfd_unmap_complete();
> 	dup_userfaultfd_complete();
> 

I was thinking about other possible races, e.g., MADV_DONTNEED/MADV_FREE
racing with UFFD_EVENT_PAGEFAULT -- where we only hold the mmap_lock in
read mode. But not sure if they apply. The fork() vs. munmap() is
somewhat "obviously problematic" :)

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-31 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-30  6:23 userfaultfd: usability issue due to lack of UFFD events ordering Nadav Amit
2022-01-31 10:42 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 10:48   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-01-31 14:05     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 14:12       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-31 14:28         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 14:41           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-31 18:47             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 22:39               ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-01  9:10                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-10  7:48                 ` Peter Xu
2022-02-10 18:42                   ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-14  4:02                     ` Peter Xu
2022-02-15 22:35                       ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-16  8:27                         ` Peter Xu
2022-02-17 21:15                         ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 17:23   ` Nadav Amit
2022-01-31 17:28     ` David Hildenbrand

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