From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: userfaultfd: usability issue due to lack of UFFD events ordering
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:12:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <63a8a665-4431-a13c-c320-1b46e5f62005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YffsxLDZk2osB7US@kernel.org>
On 31.01.22 15:05, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 11:48:27AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 31.01.22 11:42, Mike Rapoport wrote:
>>> Hi Nadav,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 10:23:55PM -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>> Using userfautlfd and looking at the kernel code, I encountered a usability
>>>> issue that complicates userspace UFFD-monitor implementation. I obviosuly
>>>> might be wrong, so I would appreciate a (polite?) feedback. I do have a
>>>> userspace workaround, but I thought it is worthy to share and to hear your
>>>> opinion, as well as feedback from other UFFD users.
>>>>
>>>> The issue I encountered regards the ordering of UFFD events tbat might not
>>>> reflect the actual order in which events took place.
>>>>
>>>> In more detail, UFFD events (e.g., unmap, fork) are not ordered against
>>>> themselves [*]. The mm-lock is dropped before notifying the userspace
>>>> UFFD-monitor, and therefore there is no guarantee as to whether the order of
>>>> the events actually reflects the order in which the events took place.
>>>> This can prevent a UFFD-monitor from using the events to track which
>>>> ranges are mapped. Specifically, UFFD_EVENT_FORK message and a
>>>> UFFD_EVENT_UNMAP message (which reflects unmap in the parent process) can
>>>> be reordered, if the events are triggered by two different threads. In
>>>> this case the UFFD-monitor cannot figure from the events whether the
>>>> child process has the unmapped memory range still mapped (because fork
>>>> happened first) or not.
>>>
>>> Yeah, it seems that something like this is possible:
>>>
>>>
>>> fork() munmap()
>>> mmap_write_unlock();
>>> mmap_write_lock_killable();
>>> do_things();
>>> mmap_{read,write}_unlock();
>>> userfaultfd_unmap_complete();
>>> dup_userfaultfd_complete();
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking about other possible races, e.g., MADV_DONTNEED/MADV_FREE
>> racing with UFFD_EVENT_PAGEFAULT -- where we only hold the mmap_lock in
>> read mode. But not sure if they apply.
>
> The userspace can live with these, at least for uffd missing page faults.
> If the monitor will try to resolve a page fault for a removed area, the
> errno from UFFDIO_COPY/ZERO can be used to detect such races.
I was wondering if the monitor could get confused if he just resolved a
page fault via UFFDIO_COPY/ZERO and then receives a REMOVE event.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-01-31 14:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-01-30 6:23 userfaultfd: usability issue due to lack of UFFD events ordering Nadav Amit
2022-01-31 10:42 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 10:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-31 14:05 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 14:12 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-01-31 14:28 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 14:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-31 18:47 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 22:39 ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-01 9:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-10 7:48 ` Peter Xu
2022-02-10 18:42 ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-14 4:02 ` Peter Xu
2022-02-15 22:35 ` Nadav Amit
2022-02-16 8:27 ` Peter Xu
2022-02-17 21:15 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-31 17:23 ` Nadav Amit
2022-01-31 17:28 ` David Hildenbrand
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