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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
Cc: "Shi, Yang" <yang.shi@linaro.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org,
	Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: check the return value of lookup_page_ext for all call sites
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 17:11:08 +0900
Message-ID: <20160527081108.GG2322@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160527060839.GC13661@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE>

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 03:08:39PM +0900, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 02:14:32PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 04:15:28PM -0700, Shi, Yang wrote:
> > > On 5/25/2016 5:37 PM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:58:11AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > >>On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:16:08AM -0700, Yang Shi wrote:
> > > >>>Per the discussion with Joonsoo Kim [1], we need check the return value of
> > > >>>lookup_page_ext() for all call sites since it might return NULL in some cases,
> > > >>>although it is unlikely, i.e. memory hotplug.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Tested with ltp with "page_owner=0".
> > > >>>
> > > >>>[1] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20160519002809.GA10245@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Signed-off-by: Yang Shi <yang.shi@linaro.org>
> > > >>
> > > >>I didn't read code code in detail to see how page_ext memory space
> > > >>allocated in boot code and memory hotplug but to me, it's not good
> > > >>to check NULL whenever we calls lookup_page_ext.
> > > >>
> > > >>More dangerous thing is now page_ext is used by optionable feature(ie, not
> > > >>critical for system stability) but if we want to use page_ext as
> > > >>another important tool for the system in future,
> > > >>it could be a serious problem.
> 
> Hello, Minchan.

Hi Joonsoo,

> 
> I wonder how pages that isn't managed by kernel yet will cause serious
> problem. Until onlining, these pages are out of our scope. Any
> information about them would be useless until it is actually
> activated. I guess that returning NULL for those pages will not hurt
> any functionality. Do you have any possible scenario that this causes the
> serious problem?

I don't have any specific usecase now. That's why I said "in future".
And I don't want to argue whether there is possible scenario or not
to make the feature useful but if you want, I should write novel.
One of example, pop up my mind, xen, hv and even memory_hotplug itself
might want to use page_ext for their functionality extension to hook
guest pages.

My opinion is that page_ext is extension of struct page so it would
be better to allow any operation on struct page without any limitation
if we can do it. Whether it's useful or useless depend on random
usecase and we don't need to limit that way from the beginning.

However, current design allows deferred page_ext population so any user
of page_ext should keep it in mind and should either make fallback plan
or don't use page_ext for those cases. If we decide go this way through
discussion, at least, we should make such limitation more clear to
somewhere in this chance, maybe around page_ext_operation->need comment.

My comment's point is that we should consider that way at least. It's
worth to discuss pros and cons, what's the best and what makes that way
hesitate if we can't.

> 
> And, allocation such memory space doesn't come from free. If someone
> just add the memory device and don't online it, these memory will be

Here goes several questions.
Cced hotplug guys

1.
If someone just add the memory device without onlining, kernel code
can return pfn_valid == true on the offlined page?

2.
If so, it means memmap on offline memory is already populated somewhere.
Where is the memmap allocated? part of offlined memory space or other memory?

3. Could we allocate page_ext in part of offline memory space so that
it doesn't consume online memory.

> wasted. I don't know if there is such a usecase but it's possible
> scenario.

> 
> > > >>
> > > >>Can we put some hooks of page_ext into memory-hotplug so guarantee
> > > >>that page_ext memory space is allocated with memmap space at the
> > > >>same time? IOW, once every PFN wakers find a page is valid, page_ext
> > > >>is valid, too so lookup_page_ext never returns NULL on valid page
> > > >>by design.
> > > >>
> > > >>I hope we consider this direction, too.
> > > >
> > > >Yang, Could you think about this?
> > > 
> > > Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Sorry for the late reply, I was
> > > busy on preparing patches. I do agree this is a direction we should
> > > look into, but I haven't got time to think about it deeper. I hope
> > > Joonsoo could chime in too since he is the original author for page
> > > extension.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >Even, your patch was broken, I think.
> > > >It doesn't work with !CONFIG_DEBUG_VM && !CONFIG_PAGE_POISONING because
> > > >lookup_page_ext doesn't return NULL in that case.
> > > 
> > > Actually, I think the #ifdef should be removed if lookup_page_ext()
> > > is possible to return NULL. It sounds not make sense returning NULL
> > > only when DEBUG_VM is enabled. It should return NULL no matter what
> > > debug config is selected. If Joonsoo agrees with me I'm going to
> > > come up with a patch to fix it.
> 
> Agreed but let's wait for Minchan's response.

If we goes this way, how to guarantee this race?

                                kpageflags_read
                                stable_page_flags
                                page_is_idle
                                  lookup_page_ext
                                  section = __pfn_to_section(pfn)
offline_pages
memory_notify(MEM_OFFLINE)
  offline_page_ext
  ms->page_ext = NULL
                                  section->page_ext + pfn

> 
> Thanks.
> 

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Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-23 17:16 Yang Shi
2016-05-24  2:58 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26  0:37   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26 23:15     ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-27  5:14       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-27  6:08         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-27  8:11           ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2016-05-27 18:16             ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-30  6:11               ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-01 20:40                 ` Shi, Yang
2016-06-02  5:00                   ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-02 23:15                     ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-30  5:39             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-05-30  6:08               ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-01 20:52                 ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-27 20:02       ` Andrew Morton
2016-05-27 20:17         ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-27 20:30           ` Andrew Morton
2016-05-24 10:08 ` [PATCH] mm: fix build problems from lookup_page_ext Arnd Bergmann
2016-05-24 16:33   ` Shi, Yang
2016-05-25  7:12 ` [PATCH] mm: check the return value of lookup_page_ext for all call sites shakil
2016-05-30  6:17 ` Minchan Kim

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