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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] memcg, oom: check memcg margin for parallel oom
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:08:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200716060814.GA31089@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.23.453.2007151024350.2788464@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Wed 15-07-20 10:30:51, David Rientjes wrote:
[...]
> I don't think moving the mem_cgroup_margin() check to out_of_memory() 
> right before printing the oom info and killing the process is a very 
> invasive patch.  Any strong preference against doing it that way?  I think 
> moving the check as late as possible to save a process from being killed 
> when racing with an exiter or killed process (including perhaps current) 
> has a pretty clear motivation.

We have been through this discussion several times in the past IIRC
The conclusion has been that the allocator (charging path for
the memcg) is the one to define OOM situation. This is an inherently
racy situation as long as we are not synchronizing oom with the world,
which I believe we agree, we do not want to do. There are few exceptions
to bail out early from the oom under certain situations and the trend
was to remove some of the existing ones rather than adding new because
they had subtle side effects and were prone to lockups.

As much as it might sound attractive to move mem_cgroup_margin resp.
last allocation attempt closer to the actual oom killing I haven't seen
any convincing data that would support that such a change would make a
big difference. select_bad_process is not a free operation as it scales
with the number of tasks in the oom domain but it shouldn't be a super
expensive. The oom reporting is by far the most expensive part of the
operation.

That being said, really convincing data should be presented in order
to do such a change. I do not think we want to do that just in case.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-16  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-14 13:57 [PATCH v2] memcg, oom: check memcg margin for parallel oom Yafang Shao
2020-07-14 14:05 ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-14 14:30 ` Chris Down
2020-07-14 18:46 ` David Rientjes
2020-07-15  1:44   ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-15  2:44     ` David Rientjes
2020-07-15  3:10       ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-15  3:18         ` David Rientjes
2020-07-15  3:31           ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-15 17:30             ` David Rientjes
2020-07-16  2:38               ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-16  7:04                 ` David Rientjes
2020-07-16 11:53                   ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-16 12:21                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-16 13:09                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-07-16 19:53                     ` David Rientjes
2020-07-17  1:35                       ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-17 19:26                         ` David Rientjes
2020-07-18  2:15                           ` Yafang Shao
2020-07-16  5:54               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-07-16  6:11                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-16  7:06                   ` David Rientjes
2020-07-16  6:08               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-07-16  6:56                 ` David Rientjes
2020-07-16  7:12                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-16 20:04                     ` David Rientjes
2020-07-28 18:04                   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-07-15  6:56         ` Michal Hocko

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