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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 19:00:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200806180024.GB17456@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whf7wCUV2oTDUg0eeNafhhk_OhJBT2SbHZXwgtmAzNeTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 10:07:07AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:21 PM Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> > Something I was interested to realize in looking at this: trylock_page()
> > on a contended lock is now much less likely to jump the queue and
> > succeed than before, since your lock holder hands off the page lock to
> > the next holder: much smaller window than waiting for the next to wake
> > to take it. Nothing wrong with that, but effect might be seen somewhere.
> 
> Yeah, the window is smaller, but it's not gone.
> 
> It *might* be interesting to actually do the handover directly from
> "unlock_page()", and avoid clearing (and then setting) the bit
> entirely.
> 
> Something like the attached TOTALLY UNTESTED patch.
> 
> NOTE! Sometimes when I say something is untested, I think the patch is
> fine because it's simple and straightforward, I just didn't test it.
> 
> This time it's both untested and very very subtle indeed. Did I get
> the hand-over case SMP memory barriers right? Did I screw something
> else up?
> 
> So this might be complete garbage. I really don't know. But it might
> close the window for an unfair trylock (or lucky page_lock())
> entirely.

It wasn't clear to me whether Hugh thought it was an improvement or
not that trylock was now less likely to jump the queue.  There're
the usual "fair is the opposite of throughput" kind of arguments.




  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-06 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-21  6:32 [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <FCC3EB2D-9F11-4E9E-88F4-40B2926B35CC@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 11:25   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <664A07B6-DBCD-4520-84F1-241A4E7A339F@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 12:17       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20200721132343.GA4261@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 13:38           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 14:17 ` Chris Down
2020-07-21 15:00   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 15:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-21 15:49   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-22 18:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 21:29     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-22 22:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23  0:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 12:47           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 17:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 18:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 18:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 14:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 20:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 23:11                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-23 23:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  0:07                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24  0:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  3:45                         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24 15:24                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-24 17:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 23:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  2:08                           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-25  2:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 10:14                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 18:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 19:27                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-26 13:57                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 21:19                               ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26  4:22                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:30                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-26 22:09                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-27 19:35                                     ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:46                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-18 13:50                                         ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:21                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-06 17:07                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-06 18:00                                         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2020-08-06 18:32                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 18:41                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-07 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 19:35                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-03 13:14                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-03 17:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  9:39                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23  8:03     ` Michal Hocko

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