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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:51:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgpdbxaWWxOeVeA-eTex6QcSZLK9S2=eSv6KbQdPapfug@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200725192753.GA21962@redhat.com>

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:28 PM Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> What I tried to say. AFAICS before that commit we had (almost) the same
> behaviour you propose now: unlock_page/etc wakes all the non-exclusive
> waiters up.
>
> No?

Yes, but no.

We'd wake them _up_ fairly aggressively, but then they'd be caught on
the bit being set again by the exclusive locker (that we also woke
up).

So they'd get woken up, and then go to sleep again.

So the new behavior wakes things up more aggressively (but a different
way), but not by letting them go out of order and early, but simply by
not going back to sleep again.

So the "wake up more" is very different - now it's about not going to
sleep again, rather than by ordering the wakeup queue.

We _could_ order the wakeup queue too, and put all non-exclusive
weiters at the head again. And make it *really* aggressive.

But since one of ourissues has been "latency of walking the wait
queue", I'm not sure we want that. interspesing any blocking waiters -
and stopping the waitqueue walking as a result - might be better under
load.

Wild handwaving. We could try it, but IO think that really would be a
separate "try this out" patch.

Right now, I think my patch will likely make for _better_ latencies
for everything.

Lower latency of non-exclusive waiters (because not going back to
sleep), but also lower latency of walking the wait queue (because
fewer entries, hopefully, and also less contention due to the "not
going back to sleep" noise)

           Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-25 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-21  6:32 [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <FCC3EB2D-9F11-4E9E-88F4-40B2926B35CC@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 11:25   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <664A07B6-DBCD-4520-84F1-241A4E7A339F@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 12:17       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20200721132343.GA4261@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 13:38           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 14:17 ` Chris Down
2020-07-21 15:00   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 15:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-21 15:49   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-22 18:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 21:29     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-22 22:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23  0:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 12:47           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 17:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 18:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 18:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 14:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 20:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 23:11                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-23 23:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  0:07                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24  0:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  3:45                         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24 15:24                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-24 17:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 23:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  2:08                           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-25  2:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 10:14                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 18:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 19:27                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-07-26 13:57                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 21:19                               ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26  4:22                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:30                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-26 22:09                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-27 19:35                                     ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:46                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-18 13:50                                         ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:21                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-06 17:07                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-06 18:00                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-06 18:32                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 18:41                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-07 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 19:35                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-03 13:14                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-03 17:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  9:39                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23  8:03     ` Michal Hocko

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