From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:18:45 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d99f823-09bb-ff51-0e71-f254cc6ad28b@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y35aXX5b2Ed4vc6y@google.com>
On 11/23/22 09:37, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> There's no way we can guarantee _that_. For one, the PAMT* allocations
>> can always fail. I guess we could ask sysadmins to fire up a guest to
>> "prime" things, but that seems a little silly. Maybe that would work as
>> the initial implementation that we merge, but I suspect our users will
>> demand more determinism, maybe a boot or module parameter.
> Oh, you mean all of TDX initialization? I thought "initialization" here mean just
> doing tdx_enable().
Yes, but the first call to tdx_enable() does TDH_SYS_INIT and all the
subsequent work to get the module going.
> Yeah, that's not going to be a viable option. Aside from lacking determinisim,
> it would be all too easy to end up on a system with fragmented memory that can't
> allocate the PAMTs post-boot.
For now, the post-boot runtime PAMT allocations are the one any only way
that TDX can be initialized. I pushed for it to be done this way.
Here's why:
Doing tdx_enable() is relatively slow and it eats up a non-zero amount
of physically contiguous RAM for metadata (~1/256th or ~0.4% of RAM).
Systems that support TDX but will never run TDX guests should not pay
that cost.
That means that we either make folks opt-in at boot-time or we try to
make a best effort at runtime to do the metadata allocations.
From my perspective, the best-effort stuff is absolutely needed. Users
are going to forget the command-line opt in and there's no harm in
_trying_ the big allocations even if they fail.
Second, in reality, the "real" systems that can run TDX guests are
probably not going to sit around fragmenting memory for a month before
they run their first guest. They're going to run one shortly after they
boot when memory isn't fragmented and the best-effort allocation will
work really well.
Third, if anyone *REALLY* cared to make it reliable *and* wanted to sit
around fragmenting memory for a month, they could just start a TDX guest
and kill it to get TDX initialized. This isn't ideal. But, to me, it
beats defining some new, separate ABI (or boot/module option) to do it.
So, let's have those discussions. Long-term, what *is* the most
reliable way to get the TDX module loaded with 100% determinism? What
new ABI or interfaces are needed? Also, is that 100% determinism
required the moment this series is merged? Or, can we work up to it?
I think it can wait until this particular series is farther along.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-23 18:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-21 0:26 [PATCH v7 00/20] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 01/20] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2022-11-21 2:52 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 9:15 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 17:23 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 18:12 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 23:48 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 0:01 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2022-11-21 3:07 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 9:37 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:57 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22 0:10 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 11:28 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 16:50 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 23:21 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21 3:51 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 9:44 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 22:00 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 23:40 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:46 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 0:30 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 0:44 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 0:58 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-11-22 9:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 10:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 15:35 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 20:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 20:11 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 0:30 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 1:12 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 11:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 12:22 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:05 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:18 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:58 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 21:58 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2022-11-22 9:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23 8:53 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:20 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:43 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-11-22 9:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 9:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:14 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:24 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23 1:14 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-29 21:40 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 11:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 0:58 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 1:04 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 1:22 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 16:41 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 17:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 18:18 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2022-11-23 19:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22 9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 19:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 9:39 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 15:20 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 16:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 18:57 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23 1:24 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-22 19:14 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:45 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 08/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 09/20] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2022-11-22 23:39 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:40 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:44 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 22:53 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:19 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:25 ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:57 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:11 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:06 ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:56 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 10/20] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-11-21 5:37 ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-21 9:09 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 1:54 ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 9:16 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 0:47 ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 10:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 11:40 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 0:21 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 1:04 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 1:22 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 2:27 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 1:50 ` Dan Williams
2022-11-24 9:06 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25 9:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28 8:38 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 8:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28 9:21 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 9:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28 9:50 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 10:02 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 22:26 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 11/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:17 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 9:51 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 12:02 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 15:59 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:13 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:19 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:50 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-07 11:47 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 12:56 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 14:58 ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 23:29 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 12/20] x86/virt/tdx: Create " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:41 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:29 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:57 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:46 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:48 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:56 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:14 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 14/20] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:39 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 9:14 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 13:18 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:24 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:58 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:10 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 15/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:40 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:39 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 16/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:56 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25 0:59 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25 1:18 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25 1:44 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-11-24 0:28 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:28 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25 0:08 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 3:35 ` Binbin Wu
2022-11-30 8:34 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 14:04 ` kirill.shutemov
2022-11-30 15:13 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 20:17 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 17:37 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-24 0:42 ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25 2:27 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 19/20] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21 0:26 ` [PATCH v7 20/20] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang
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