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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:37:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgWFlYi5jGENGD4G@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220208081902.3550911-5-yuzhao@google.com>

On Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 01:18:54AM -0700, Yu Zhao wrote:
> Evictable pages are divided into multiple generations for each lruvec.
> The youngest generation number is stored in lrugen->max_seq for both
> anon and file types as they're aged on an equal footing. The oldest
> generation numbers are stored in lrugen->min_seq[] separately for anon
> and file types as clean file pages can be evicted regardless of swap
> constraints. These three variables are monotonically increasing.
> 
> Generation numbers are truncated into order_base_2(MAX_NR_GENS+1) bits
> in order to fit into the gen counter in folio->flags. Each truncated
> generation number is an index to lrugen->lists[]. The sliding window
> technique is used to track at least MIN_NR_GENS and at most
> MAX_NR_GENS generations. The gen counter stores (seq%MAX_NR_GENS)+1
> while a page is on one of lrugen->lists[]. Otherwise it stores 0.
> 
> There are two conceptually independent processes (as in the
> manufacturing process): "the aging", which produces young generations,
> and "the eviction", which consumes old generations. They form a
> closed-loop system, i.e., "the page reclaim". Both processes can be
> invoked from userspace for the purposes of working set estimation and
> proactive reclaim. These features are required to optimize job
> scheduling (bin packing) in data centers. The variable size of the
> sliding window is designed for such use cases [1][2].
> 
> To avoid confusions, the terms "hot" and "cold" will be applied to the
> multigenerational LRU, as a new convention; the terms "active" and
> "inactive" will be applied to the active/inactive LRU, as usual.

[...]

> +++ b/include/linux/page-flags-layout.h
> @@ -26,6 +26,14 @@
>  
>  #define ZONES_WIDTH		ZONES_SHIFT
>  
> +#ifdef CONFIG_LRU_GEN
> +/* LRU_GEN_WIDTH is generated from order_base_2(CONFIG_NR_LRU_GENS + 1). */
> +#define LRU_REFS_WIDTH		(CONFIG_TIERS_PER_GEN - 2)
> +#else
> +#define LRU_GEN_WIDTH		0
> +#define LRU_REFS_WIDTH		0
> +#endif /* CONFIG_LRU_GEN */

I'm concerned about the number of bits being used in page->flags.
It seems to me that we already have six bits in use to aid us in choosing
which pages to reclaim: referenced, lru, active, workingset, reclaim,
unevictable.

What I was hoping to see from this patch set was reuse of those bits.
That would give us 32 queues in total.  Some would be special (eg pages
cannot migrate out of the unevictable queue), but it seems to me that you
effectively have 4 queues for active and 4 queues for inactive at this
point (unless I misunderstood that).  I think we need special numbers
for: Not on the LRU and Unevictable, but that still leaves us with 30
generations to split between active & inactive.

But maybe we still need some of those bits?  Perhaps it's not OK to say
that queue id 0 is !LRU, queue 1 is unevictable, queue #2 is workingset,
queues 3-7 are active, queues 8-15 are various degrees of inactive.
I'm assuming that it's not sensible to have a page that's marked as both
"reclaim" and "workingset", but perhaps it is.

Anyway, I don't understand this area well enough.  I was just hoping
for some simplification.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-10 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-08  8:18 [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:24   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:33   ` Will Deacon
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:27   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:28   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 20:41   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-15  9:43     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-15 21:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-21  8:14         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 21:18           ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-25 16:34             ` Minchan Kim
2022-03-03 15:29           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-03 19:26             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03 21:43               ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-11 10:16       ` Barry Song
2022-03-11 23:45         ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-12 10:37           ` Barry Song
2022-03-12 21:11             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-13  4:57               ` Barry Song
2022-03-14 11:11                 ` Barry Song
2022-03-14 16:45                   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-14 23:38                     ` Barry Song
     [not found]                       ` <CAOUHufa9eY44QadfGTzsxa2=hEvqwahXd7Canck5Gt-N6c4UKA@mail.gmail.com>
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2022-03-15 10:29                           ` Barry Song
2022-03-16  2:46                             ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16  4:37                               ` Barry Song
2022-03-16  5:44                                 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-16  6:06                                   ` Barry Song
2022-03-16 21:37                                     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-10 21:37   ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-02-13 21:16     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: minimal implementation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:33   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 16:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-02-10  2:53     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-13 10:04   ` Hillf Danton
2022-02-17  0:13     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23  8:27   ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-23  9:36     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  0:59       ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  1:34         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  3:31           ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  4:09             ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-24  5:27               ` Huang, Ying
2022-02-24  5:35                 ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: exploit locality in rmap Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:40   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: support page table walks Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:39   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: optimize multiple memcgs Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:18 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: runtime switch Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:42   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: thrashing prevention Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:43   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: debugfs interface Yu Zhao
2022-02-18 18:56   ` [page-reclaim] " David Rientjes
2022-02-08  8:19 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] mm: multigenerational LRU: documentation Yu Zhao
2022-02-08  8:44   ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-14 10:28   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-16  3:22     ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-21  9:01       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-22  1:47         ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-23 10:58           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-23 21:20             ` Yu Zhao
2022-02-08 10:11 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Multigenerational LRU Framework Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-08 11:14   ` Michal Hocko
2022-02-08 11:23     ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-02-11 20:12 ` Alexey Avramov
2022-02-12 21:01   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-03  6:06 ` Vaibhav Jain
2022-03-03  6:47   ` Yu Zhao

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