From: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add kvfree_sensitive() for freeing sensitive data objects
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 09:10:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d509771b7e08fff0d18654b746e413e93ed62fe8.camel@perches.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <319765.1586188840@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
On Mon, 2020-04-06 at 17:00 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:
>
> > > This patch introduces a new kvfree_sensitive() for freeing those
> > > sensitive data objects allocated by kvmalloc(). The relevnat places
> > > where kvfree_sensitive() can be used are modified to use it.
> >
> > Why isn't this called kvzfree like the existing kzfree?
>
> To quote Linus:
>
> We have a function for clearing sensitive information: it's called
> "memclear_explicit()", and it's about forced (explicit) clearing even
> if the data might look dead afterwards.
>
> The other problem with that function is the name: "__kvzfree()" is not
> a useful name for this function. We use the "__" format for internal
> low-level helpers, and it generally means that it does *less* than the
> full function. This does more, not less, and "__" is not following any
> sane naming model.
>
> So the name should probably be something like "kvfree_sensitive()" or
> similar. Or maybe it could go even further, and talk about _why_ it's
> sensitive, and call it "kvfree_cleartext()" or something like that.
>
> Because the clearing is really not what even matters. It might choose
> other patterns to overwrite things with, but it might do other things
> too, like putting special barriers for data leakage (or flags to tell
> return-to-user-mode to do so).
>
> And yes, kzfree() isn't a good name either, and had that same
> memset(), but at least it doesn't do the dual-underscore mistake.
>
> Including some kzfree()/crypto people explicitly - I hope we can get
> away from this incorrect and actively wrong pattern of thinking that
> "sensitive data should be memset(), and then we should add a random
> 'z' in the name somewhere to 'document' that".
Thanks.
While I agree with Linus about the __ prefix,
the z is pretty common and symmetric to all
the <foo>zalloc uses.
And if _sensitive is actually used, it'd be
good to do a s/kzfree/kfree_sensitive/ one day
sooner than later.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-06 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-06 2:37 [PATCH] mm: Add kvfree_sensitive() for freeing sensitive data objects Waiman Long
2020-04-06 4:20 ` David Rientjes
2020-04-06 14:36 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 14:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-06 7:44 ` David Howells
2020-04-06 23:20 ` David Rientjes
2020-04-06 14:32 ` David Howells
2020-04-06 14:40 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 15:45 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 16:00 ` David Howells
2020-04-06 16:10 ` Joe Perches [this message]
2020-04-06 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 16:42 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 17:20 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 17:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-06 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 17:46 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 17:58 ` Waiman Long
2020-04-06 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 18:46 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 16:26 ` David Howells
2020-04-06 16:38 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 17:10 ` Joe Perches
2020-04-06 17:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-06 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-06 17:51 ` David Howells
2020-04-06 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
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