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From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:27:54 -0700
Message-ID: <ec4c1020-4b53-e0f2-4a9d-3fc73af56746@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFd5g47cDKSdXGAL8pbDxEU2O8A-9Ajq1wCM+PtPF40T4wYKow@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/5/18 3:10 PM, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 5:49 AM Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 5:40 AM Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brendan, Rob,
>>>
>>> Pulling a comment from way back in the v1 patch thread:
>>>
>>> On 10/17/18 3:22 PM, Brendan Higgins wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:49 AM <Tim.Bird@sony.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>> The test and the code under test are linked together in the same
>>>> binary and are compiled under Kbuild. Right now I am linking
>>>> everything into a UML kernel, but I would ultimately like to make
>>>> tests compile into completely independent test binaries. So each test
>>>> file would get compiled into its own test binary and would link
>>>> against only the code needed to run the test, but we are a bit of a
>>>> ways off from that.
>>>
>>> I have never used UML, so you should expect naive questions from me,
>>> exhibiting my lack of understanding.
>>>
>>> Does this mean that I have to build a UML architecture kernel to run
>>> the KUnit tests?
>>
>> In this version of the patch series, yes.
>>
>>> *** Rob, if the answer is yes, then it seems like for my workflow,
>>> which is to build for real ARM hardware, my work is doubled (or
>>> worse), because for every patch/commit that I apply, I not only have
>>> to build the ARM kernel and boot on the real hardware to test, I also
>>> have to build the UML kernel and boot in UML.  If that is correct
>>> then I see this as a major problem for me.
>>
>> I've already raised this issue elsewhere in the series. Restricting
>> the DT tests to UML is a non-starter.
> 

> I have already stated my position elsewhere on the matter, but in
> summary: Ensuring most tests can run without external dependencies
> (hardware, VM, etc) has a lot of benefits and should be supported in
> nearly all cases, but such tests should also work when compiled to run
> on real hardware/VM; the tooling might not be as good in the latter
> case, but I understand that there are good reasons to support it
> nonetheless.

And my needs are the exact opposite.  My tests must run on real hardware,
in the context of the real operating system subsystems and drivers
potentially causing issues.

It is useful if the tests can also run without that dependency.

-Frank


> 
> So I am going to try to add basic support for running tests on other
> architectures in the next version or two.

< snip >
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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28 19:36 Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 01/19] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:14   ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  1:51     ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  2:57       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-05 13:15     ` Anton Ivanov
2018-12-05 14:45       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-05 14:49         ` Anton Ivanov
2018-11-30  3:28   ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]     ` <20181130032802.GG18410-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-01  2:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:10         ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]           ` <20181201031049.GL28501-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 22:47             ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:02   ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 10/19] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests Brendan Higgins
     [not found] ` <20181128193636.254378-1-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 02/19] kunit: test: add test resource management API Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 03/19] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:29     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  2:14       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:12         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 10:55       ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-04  0:35         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 04/19] kunit: test: add test_stream a std::stream like logger Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 05/19] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 06/19] arch: um: enable running kunit from User Mode Linux Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:26     ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30  3:37       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-30 14:05         ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30 18:22           ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]             ` <20181130182203.GS18410-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 23:22               ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:30     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 07/19] kunit: test: add initial tests Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:40     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:26       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-03 23:43         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 08/19] arch: um: add shim to trap to allow installing a fault catcher for tests Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:34     ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]       ` <20181130033429.GK18410-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 23:34         ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]           ` <CAFd5g45+MAVaSW8HN9x57Y8Um=TV1Oa=-K8yExPBS-4KjLyciQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 23:46             ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]               ` <20181203234628.GR28501-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-04  0:44                 ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:41     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:37       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 09/19] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:54     ` Kieran Bingham
     [not found]       ` <841cf4ae-501b-05ae-5863-a51010709b67-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 23:48         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:47           ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-06 12:32             ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-06 15:37               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-07 11:30                 ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-11 14:09                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-11 14:41                   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-11 17:01                     ` Anton Ivanov
2019-02-09  0:40                       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  1:05               ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-07 18:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2018-11-30  3:44     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:50       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:48         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 12/19] kunit: add KUnit wrapper script and simple output parser Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 13/19] kunit: improve output from python wrapper Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 14/19] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:56     ` Kieran Bingham
2018-11-30  3:45       ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]         ` <20181130034525.GP18410-dAjH6bxAqesAS62YNPtMr3dQhYtBYE6JAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-03 23:53           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-06 12:16             ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-09  0:56               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-11 12:16                 ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-12 22:10                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13 21:55                     ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-14  0:17                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 17:26                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-02-14 22:07                           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 15/19] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 17/19] of: unittest: migrate tests to run on KUnit Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 20:56     ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30  0:39       ` Randy Dunlap
     [not found]         ` <18814973-8f0a-4647-a097-fcc3dc0b3cd3-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-04  0:13           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 13:40             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]               ` <CAL_JsqL_PivQbrJFEusdKAy-2EQtKL3OHbmyYSK9bzuTOQegqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-05 23:42                 ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  0:41                   ` Rob Herring
2018-12-04  0:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13  1:44       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 20:10         ` Rob Herring
2019-02-14 21:52           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:56         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  0:29           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:56     ` Frank Rowand
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 18/19] of: unittest: split out a couple of test cases from unittest Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:58     ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-05 23:54       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 23:57         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15  0:56           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-15  2:05             ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15 10:56               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:25                 ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:44                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:47                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  3:52                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:22                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:30                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  1:47                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:15                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-09-20 16:57                           ` Rob Herring
2019-09-21 23:57                             ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:34                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:18                           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` [RFC v3 19/19] of: unittest: split up some super large test cases Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 16/19] arch: um: make UML unflatten device tree when testing Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:16   ` Rob Herring
     [not found]     ` <CAL_JsqK5cG=QzMBFSZ31_-3ujnxqxv=jj3XYajbRLT7yWYZbfw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-04  0:00       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:46   ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-04  0:02     ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:52 ` [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 11:40 ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 13:49   ` Rob Herring
2018-12-05 23:10     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:27       ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2019-03-25 22:04         ` Brendan Higgins

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