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From: Andrew Murray <andrew.murray@arm.com>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
	"open list:MEDIA DRIVERS FOR RENESAS - FCP" 
	<linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:40:45 +0100
Message-ID: <20191018114045.GC47056@e119886-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdUf6uH_64R9hOgFgmoUYWk_LkCxy9RLzV0Je=TFr-G87w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 12:17:38PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 12:07 PM Andrew Murray <andrew.murray@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:33:24AM +0200, Marek Vasut wrote:
> > > On 10/17/19 12:26 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >>>> You can have multiple non-continuous DRAM banks for example. And an
> > > >>>> entry for SRAM optionally. Each DRAM bank and/or the SRAM should have a
> > > >>>> separate dma-ranges entry, right ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Not necessarily. We really only want to define the minimum we have to.
> > > >>> The ideal system is no dma-ranges. Is each bank at a different
> > > >>> relative position compared to the CPU's view of the system. That would
> > > >>> seem doubtful for just DRAM banks. Perhaps DRAM and SRAM could change.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is that a question ? Anyway, yes, there is a bit of DRAM below the 32bit
> > > >> boundary and some more above the 32bit boundary. These two banks don't
> > > >> need to be continuous. And then you could add the SRAM into the mix.
> > > >
> > > > Continuous is irrelevant. My question was in more specific terms is
> > > > (bank1 addr - bank0 addr) different for CPU's view (i.e phys addr) vs.
> > > > PCI host view (i.e. bus addr)? If not, then that is 1 translation and
> > > > 1 dma-ranges entry.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's different in that aspect. Except the bus has this
> > > 32bit limitation, where it only sees subset of the DRAM.
> > >
> > > Why should the DMA ranges incorrectly cover also the DRAM which is not
> > > present ?
> >
> > I think this is where there is a difference in understanding.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, the job of the dma-ranges property isn't to
> > describe *what* ranges the PCI device can access - it's there to describe
> > *how*, i.e. the mapping between PCI and CPU-visible memory.
> >
> > The dma-ranges property is a side-effect of how the busses are wired up
> > between the CPU and PCI controller - and so it doesn't matter what is or
> > isn't on those buses.
> >
> > It's the job of other parts of the system to ensure that PCI devices are
> > told the correct addresses to write to, e.g. the enumerating software
> > referring to a valid CPU visible address correctly translated for the view
> > of the PCI device, ATS etc. And any IOMMU to enforce that.
> 
> Yep, that's what I thought, too.
> 
> > It sounds like there is a 1:1 mapping between CPU and PCI - in which case
> > there isn't a reason for a dma-ranges.
> 
> There's still the 32-bit limitation: PCI devices can access low 32-bit addresses
> only.

I guess a single dma-range that is limited to 32bits would work here?

Thanks,

Andrew Murray

> 
> Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
> 
>                         Geert
> 
> -- 
> Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org
> 
> In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
> when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
>                                 -- Linus Torvalds

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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-09 17:57 [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check marek.vasut
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges marek.vasut
2019-08-16 13:23   ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 13:28     ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 13:38       ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 17:41         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:18       ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 18:03         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-26 20:36           ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 21:06             ` Andrew Murray
2019-11-06 23:37             ` Marek Vasut
2019-11-07 14:19               ` Andrew Murray
2019-11-16 15:48                 ` Marek Vasut
2019-11-18 18:42                   ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-16 15:00   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:10     ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 15:26       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:29         ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 16:18           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 18:12             ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 18:17               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 20:25                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 21:15                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 22:26                     ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 22:33                       ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17  7:06                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-17 10:55                           ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 13:06                             ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-17 14:00                               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 14:36                                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-17 15:01                                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18  9:53                                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-18 12:22                                       ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 12:53                                         ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 14:26                                           ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 15:44                                             ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 16:44                                               ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 17:35                                                 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 18:44                                                   ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21  8:32                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-11-19 12:10                                                     ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 10:06                         ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-18 10:17                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-18 11:40                             ` Andrew Murray [this message]
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 3/3] PCI: rcar: Recalculate inbound range alignment for each controller entry marek.vasut
2019-10-21 10:39   ` Andrew Murray
2019-08-16 10:52 ` [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-08-16 10:59   ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 11:10     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-15 20:14 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:11 ` Andrew Murray

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