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From: Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>
To: Sean Anderson <seanga2@gmail.com>,
	"linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Cc: Anup Patel <Anup.Patel@wdc.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] riscv: Force flat memory model with no-mmu
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 02:15:34 +0000
Message-ID: <BYAPR04MB58169D9654E97130A3CFD9BAE7140@BYAPR04MB5816.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <05106cc4-3d79-7288-cd1f-0c996e5b1657@gmail.com>

On 2020/02/15 5:18, Sean Anderson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2/12/20 5:34 AM, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>> Compilation errors trigger if ARCH_SPARSEMEM_ENABLE is enabled for
>> a nommu kernel. Since the sparsemem model does not make sense anyway
>> for the nommu case, do not allow selecting this option to always use
>> the flatmem model.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@wdc.com>
>> ---
>>  arch/riscv/Kconfig | 1 +
>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/arch/riscv/Kconfig b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
>> index 73f029eae0cc..1a3b5a5276be 100644
>> --- a/arch/riscv/Kconfig
>> +++ b/arch/riscv/Kconfig
>> @@ -121,6 +121,7 @@ config ARCH_FLATMEM_ENABLE
>>  
>>  config ARCH_SPARSEMEM_ENABLE
>>  	def_bool y
>> +	depends on MMU
>>  	select SPARSEMEM_VMEMMAP_ENABLE
>>  
>>  config ARCH_SELECT_MEMORY_MODEL
>>
> 
> Just for some background, why did you choose NOMMU? Afaik the K210 has
> an MMU following the RISC-V privileged specification 1.9

Our early experiments with the k210 with opensbi revealed that the mmu is
definitely not a normal one or that it is not functional (e.g. S-mode fault
delegation bit setup leads to a hang). So at the time, we started assuming
that this is a nommu platform.

Since then, others also mentioned that there is in fact an MMU but not
following the latest specs (I think Olof mentioned that). But I have not
look into this (yet) to try to make it work. Not sure how much effort would
be needed on the kernel to support this older specs mmu.

In any case, considering the tiny 6+2MB of memory available, direct M-mode
Linux boot avoids the bootloader chain and openSBI use, which saves a lot
of memory. We could reduce this chain to opensbi with direct payload only,
but even then, page alignment will lead to memory loss. And at run-time,
nommu saves a lot too with the absence of page tables. Nommu makes sense
for this platform.

This is the first step to get this platform running Linux. Due to the low
memory, it probably isn't a practical use case to use Linux in the first
place, but it definitely is a great inexpensive platform for getting
started with RISCV. NOMMU allows running Linux without much effort. Going
forward, we can also try to get that SoC MMU running.


> 
> --Sean
> 


-- 
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research


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Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-12 10:34 [PATCH 00/10] Kendryte k210 SoC boards support Damien Le Moal
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 01/10] riscv: Fix gitignore Damien Le Moal
2020-02-20  0:15   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 02/10] riscv: Force flat memory model with no-mmu Damien Le Moal
2020-02-14 20:18   ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-15  2:15     ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2020-02-15  2:26       ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-15  2:40         ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  3:48   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 18:38   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 03/10] riscv: Unaligned load/store handling for M_MODE Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  3:57   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:28   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 04/10] riscv: Add BUILTIN_DTB support Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  3:58   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:28   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-03-05  4:58     ` Anup Patel
2020-03-05  5:14       ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-05  5:37         ` Anup Patel
2020-03-05  6:13           ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-08  6:10             ` Anup Patel
2020-03-05  8:18         ` Atish Patra
2020-03-07  0:02           ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-07  1:51             ` Atish Patra
2020-03-07  2:08               ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-06 23:56         ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 05/10] riscv: Add SOC early init support Damien Le Moal
2020-03-04 19:28   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 06/10] riscv: Add Kendryte K210 SoC support Damien Le Moal
2020-02-14 20:31   ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-04 19:38   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 07/10] riscv: Select required drivers for Kendryte SOC Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  3:59   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 08/10] riscv: Add Kendryte K210 device tree Damien Le Moal
2020-02-14 20:51   ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-15  2:34     ` Damien Le Moal
2020-02-15  2:48       ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-15  3:00         ` Damien Le Moal
2020-02-18 14:12           ` Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-18 14:18             ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-18 14:30               ` Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-18 17:48                 ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-18 19:26                   ` Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-19  9:06                     ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2020-02-19 22:28                       ` Sean Anderson
2020-02-20 10:48                         ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2020-02-22 19:07                       ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2020-04-01 17:55                         ` Drew Fustini
2020-04-02  2:24                           ` Damien Le Moal
2020-02-19  8:50                   ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2020-02-27 19:43       ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  4:06   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-02  4:15     ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:22       ` Anup Patel
2020-03-02  4:51         ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  5:05           ` Anup Patel
2020-03-02  5:08             ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-07  0:18               ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-07  4:11                 ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 09/10] riscv: Kendryte K210 default config Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:07   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-12 10:34 ` [PATCH 10/10] riscv: create a loader.bin for the kendryte kflash.py tool Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:08   ` Anup Patel
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-14 15:05 ` [PATCH 00/10] Kendryte k210 SoC boards support Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-15  2:02   ` Damien Le Moal
2020-02-17 13:28     ` Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-26 21:31       ` Carlos Eduardo de Paula
2020-02-27  2:18         ` Damien Le Moal
2020-02-28 20:32 ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  3:01   ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  3:53     ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  4:11       ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:18         ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  4:54           ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:56             ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  5:03               ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:17       ` Anup Patel
2020-03-02  4:21         ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  4:48         ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  4:51           ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  5:02           ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  5:11             ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-02  5:25               ` Sean Anderson
2020-03-02  5:43                 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-03-04 19:44 ` Palmer Dabbelt

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