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From: Micah Morton <mortonm@chromium.org>
To: casey@schaufler-ca.com
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	serge@hallyn.com, jmorris@namei.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] LSM: add SafeSetID module that gates setid calls
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 18:12:46 -0700
Message-ID: <CAJ-EccPCxi1Fn-TVnGHBADKuoSi3XC0_UAkXRk49+iTjoLoecA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49f92f71-ba6f-9991-af95-03b04a42b6d0@schaufler-ca.com>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:37 PM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/31/2018 2:57 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:
> >> Just to be sure - your end-goal is to have a set of tasks which have
> >> some privileges, including CAP_SETUID, but which cannot transition to
> >> certain uids, perhaps including root?

Correct, only whitelisted uids can be switched to. This only pertains
to CAP_SETUID, other capabilities are not affected.

> > AIUI, the issue is that CAP_SETUID is TOO permissive. Instead, run
> > _without_ CAP_SETUID and still allow whitelisted uid transitions.

Kees is right that this LSM only pertains to a single capability:
CAP_SETUID (future work could tackle CAP_SETGID in the same fashion)
-- although the idea here is to put in per-user limitations on what a
process running as that user can do even when it _has_ CAP_SETUID. So
it doesn't grant any extra privileges to processes that don't have
CAP_SETUID, only restricts processes that _do_ have CAP_SETUID if the
user they are running under is restricted.

>
> I don't like that thought at all at all. You need CAP_SETUID for
> some transitions but not all. I can call setreuid() and restore
> the saved UID to the effective UID. If this LSM works correctly
> (I haven't examined it carefully yet) it should prevent restoring
> the effective UID if there isn't an appropriate whitelist entry.

Yep, thats how it works. The idea here is that you still need
CAP_SETUID for all transitions, regardless of whether whitelist
policies exist or not.

>
> It also violates the "additional restriction" model of LSMs.
>
> That has the potential to introduce a failure when a process tries
> to give up privilege. If 0:1000 isn't on the whitelist but 1000:0

As above, if a process drops CAP_SETUID it wouldn't be able to do any
transitions (if this is what you mean by give up privilege). The
whitelist is a one-way policy so if one wanted to restrict user 123
but let it switch to 456 and back, 2 policies would need to be added:
123 -> 456 and 456 -> 123.

> is Bad Things can happen. A SUID root program would be unable to
> give up its privilege by going back to the real UID in this case.
>

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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-31 15:28 mortonm
2018-10-31 21:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-10-31 21:57   ` Kees Cook
2018-10-31 22:37     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-01  1:12       ` Micah Morton [this message]
2018-11-01  6:13         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-11-01 15:39           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-01 15:56             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-11-01 16:18             ` Micah Morton
2018-11-01  6:07   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-11-01 16:11     ` Micah Morton
2018-11-01 16:22       ` Micah Morton
2018-11-01 16:41       ` Micah Morton
2018-11-01 17:08       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-01 19:52         ` Micah Morton
2018-11-02 16:05           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-02 17:12             ` Micah Morton
2018-11-02 18:19               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-02 18:30                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-11-02 19:02                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-02 19:22                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-11-08 20:53                       ` Micah Morton
2018-11-08 21:34                         ` Casey Schaufler
2018-11-09  0:30                           ` Micah Morton
2018-11-09 23:21                             ` [PATCH] LSM: generalize flag passing to security_capable mortonm
2018-11-21 16:54                             ` [PATCH] LSM: add SafeSetID module that gates setid calls mortonm
2018-12-06  0:08                               ` Kees Cook
2018-12-06 17:51                                 ` Micah Morton
2019-01-11 17:13                                 ` [PATCH v2] " mortonm
2019-01-15  0:38                                   ` Kees Cook
2019-01-15 18:04                                     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] LSM: mark all set*uid call sites in kernel/sys.c mortonm
2019-01-15 19:34                                       ` Kees Cook
2019-01-15 18:04                                     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] LSM: add SafeSetID module that gates setid calls mortonm
2019-01-15 19:44                                       ` Kees Cook
2019-01-15 21:50                                         ` [PATCH v4 " mortonm
2019-01-15 22:32                                           ` Kees Cook
2019-01-16 15:46                                             ` [PATCH v5 " mortonm
2019-01-16 16:10                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2019-01-22 20:40                                                 ` Micah Morton
2019-01-22 22:28                                                   ` James Morris
2019-01-22 22:40                                                     ` Micah Morton
2019-01-22 22:42                                                       ` [PATCH v3 1/2] " mortonm
2019-01-25 15:51                                                         ` Micah Morton
2019-01-25 20:15                                               ` [PATCH v5 2/2] " James Morris
2019-01-25 21:06                                                 ` Micah Morton
2019-01-28 19:47                                                   ` Micah Morton
2019-01-28 19:56                                                     ` Kees Cook
2019-01-28 20:09                                                       ` James Morris
2019-01-28 20:19                                                       ` Micah Morton
2019-01-28 20:30                                                         ` [PATCH] LSM: Add 'name' field for SafeSetID in DEFINE_LSM mortonm
2019-01-28 22:12                                                           ` James Morris
2019-01-28 22:33                                                         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] LSM: add SafeSetID module that gates setid calls Micah Morton
2019-01-29 17:25                                                           ` James Morris
2019-01-29 21:14                                                             ` Micah Morton
2019-01-30  7:15                                                               ` Kees Cook
2019-02-06 19:03                                                                 ` [PATCH] LSM: SafeSetID: add selftest mortonm
2019-02-06 19:26                                                                   ` Edwin Zimmerman
2019-02-07 21:54                                                                     ` Micah Morton
2019-02-12 19:01                                                                   ` James Morris
2019-01-15 21:58                                         ` [PATCH v3 2/2] LSM: add SafeSetID module that gates setid calls Micah Morton
2019-01-15 19:49                                     ` [PATCH v2] " Micah Morton
2019-01-15 19:53                                       ` Kees Cook
2019-01-15  4:07                                   ` James Morris
2019-01-15 19:42                                     ` Micah Morton
2018-11-02 19:28                 ` [PATCH] " Micah Morton
2018-11-06 19:09                 ` [PATCH v2] " mortonm
2018-11-06 20:59       ` [PATCH] " James Morris
2018-11-06 21:21         ` [PATCH v3] " mortonm
2018-11-02 18:07 ` [PATCH] " Stephen Smalley
2018-11-02 19:13   ` Micah Morton
2018-11-19 18:54   ` [PATCH] [PATCH] LSM: generalize flag passing to security_capable mortonm
2018-12-13 22:29     ` Micah Morton
2018-12-13 23:09       ` Casey Schaufler
2018-12-14  0:05         ` Micah Morton
2018-12-18 22:37         ` [PATCH v2] " mortonm
2019-01-07 17:55           ` Micah Morton
2019-01-07 18:16             ` Casey Schaufler
2019-01-07 18:36               ` Micah Morton
2019-01-07 18:46                 ` Casey Schaufler
2019-01-07 19:02                   ` Micah Morton
2019-01-07 22:57                     ` [PATCH v3] " mortonm
2019-01-07 23:13           ` [PATCH v2] " Kees Cook
2019-01-08  0:10             ` [PATCH v4] " mortonm
2019-01-08  0:20               ` Kees Cook
2019-01-09 18:39                 ` Micah Morton
2019-01-10 22:31               ` James Morris
2019-01-10 23:03                 ` Micah Morton
2019-01-08  0:10             ` [PATCH v2] " Micah Morton

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