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From: Alexander Aring <aring@mojatatu.com>
To: Xue Liu <liuxuenetmail@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Jian-Hong Pan" <starnight@g.ncu.edu.tw>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Alan Cox" <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-lpwan@lists.infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Marcel Holtmann" <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	"Dollar Chen" <dollar.chen@wtmec.com>,
	"Ken Yu" <ken.yu@rakwireless.com>,
	"linux-wpan - ML" <linux-wpan@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/6] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:32:05 -0500
Message-ID: <20181224153205.ycr2zdrjbyklulfh@x220t> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuUDwsypFMEbTXZO+NwQ_FnD1wsO3ZRc3dthZphFGJ-u0n_=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 02:50:58PM +0100, Xue Liu wrote:
> Hello Andreas,
> 
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 15:19, Andreas Färber <afaerber@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Xue Liu,
> >
> > Am 17.12.18 um 09:50 schrieb Xue Liu:
> > > I have a question about the architecture of your module. AFAIK LoRaWAN
> > > is already the MAC Layer above the LoRa technology. Why do you want to
> > > make a new layer called "maclorawan" ?
> >
> > I had asked Jian-Hong to separate between his soft-MAC implementation
> > and the common bits needed to drive hard-MAC implementations found on
> > several of the hardware modules made available to me.
> >
> As a reference Linux 802.11 uses cfg80211 to talk with hard-MAC devices.
> We may also use the name “cfglora” for hard-MAC implementation.
> 

There exists also a cfg802154. :-)

Note that cfg80211 is also for providing a backwardscompatibility to the
wireless ioctl() interface.

In theory it's simple:

netlink API -> SoftMAC (macFOOBAR layer) -> cfgFOOBAR implementation -> driver layer
            \-> HardMAC (driver layer) -> cfgFOOBAR implementation

The "difficult" part is providing one userspace interface for both
either SoftMAC layer and all HardMAC drivers.

There both maintainers need to be synchronized.

As a side note I want to mention that the 802.15.4 subsystem supports
currently a HardMAC transceiver in the SoftMAC layer. We don't have
quite HardMAC support yet but are somehow prepared according the
wireless architecture above.

The people who did that didn't wanted to investigate time to implement a
whole HardMAC layer, as I told them when we support more in the SoftMAC
layer it will break their transceiver... so they was fine with that as
warning it seems. :-)

- Alex

  reply index

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-23 17:15 [RFC 0/3 net] lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 1/3 net] lorawan: Add LoRaWAN class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:43   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-24 15:58     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-09-23 16:40   ` Andreas Färber
2018-09-26 15:52     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 0/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 1/7] net: lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 2/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 18:16     ` David Miller
2018-11-06 14:28       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 0/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 1/7] net: lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:12         ` Andreas Färber
2018-11-17  6:47           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 2/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-17  4:32         ` David Miller
2018-11-17 14:54           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 0/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 1/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 2/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 3/6] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 4/6] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-04 20:45               ` Alan Cox
2018-12-09  8:27                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 0/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN soft MAC module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17 13:51                     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 1/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN socket module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-29  7:27                     ` Andreas Färber
2019-01-07 14:47                       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2019-01-13 14:51                         ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 2/6] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 3/6] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 4/6] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-16 10:18                   ` [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17 14:02                     ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-18 14:27                       ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-18 14:27                         ` Jiri Pirko
2018-12-18 15:34                           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-18 18:49                         ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-19 11:27                           ` Ben Whitten
2018-12-19 16:26                             ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-20  9:20                               ` Xue Liu
2018-12-20 16:00                                 ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-28  8:11                                   ` Netlink userspace tools for LoRa(WAN), FSK, Sigfox, BLE, etc. (was: [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module) Andreas Färber
2018-12-28 15:49                                     ` Alexander Aring
2018-12-20 10:19                               ` [PATCH v5 5/6] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Ben Whitten
2018-12-20 15:31                                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-16 10:19                   ` [PATCH v5 6/6] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-12-17  8:50                     ` Xue Liu
2018-12-17 14:19                       ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-18 13:50                         ` Xue Liu
2018-12-24 15:32                           ` Alexander Aring [this message]
2018-12-28  4:57                             ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-28 15:43                               ` Alexander Aring
2018-12-29  6:28                                 ` Andreas Färber
2018-12-04 14:13             ` [PATCH V4 " Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 3/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 4/7] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-17  4:32         ` David Miller
2018-11-17  6:32           ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 5/7] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 6/7] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-14 16:01       ` [PATCH V3 7/7] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 3/7] net: lorawan: Add LoRaWAN API declaration for LoRa devices Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 4/7] net: maclorawan: Add maclorawan module declaration Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 5/7] net: maclorawan: Implement the crypto of maclorawan module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 6/7] net: maclorawan: Implement maclorawan class module Jian-Hong Pan
2018-11-05 16:55   ` [PATCH V2 7/7] net: lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 2/3 net] lorawan: Add macro and definition for LoRaWAN class modlue Jian-Hong Pan
2018-09-23 16:06   ` Andreas Färber
2018-09-26 14:46     ` Jian-Hong Pan
2018-08-23 17:15 ` [RFC 3/3 net] lorawan: List LORAWAN in menuconfig Jian-Hong Pan

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