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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Kuppuswamy,
	Sathyanarayanan"  <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range}
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:17:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09b340dd-c8a8-689c-4dad-4fe0e36d39ae@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210829112105-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>


> Let's be frank, even without encryption disabling most drivers -
> especially weird ones that poke at hardware before probe -
> is far safer than keeping them, but one loses a bunch of features.

Usually we don't lose features at all. None of the legacy drivers are 
needed on a guest (or even a modern native system). It's all just all 
for old hardware. Maybe in 20+ years it can be all removed, but we can't 
wait that long.

> IOW all this hardening is nice but which security/feature tradeoff
> to take it a policy decision, not something kernel should do
> imho.

There's no mechanism to push this kind of policy to user space. Users 
don't have control what initcalls run. At the time they execute there 
isn't even any user space yet.

Even if they could somehow control them it's very unlikely they would 
understand them and make an informed decision.

Doing it at build time is not feasible either since we want to run on 
standard distribution kernels.

For modules we have a policy mechanism (prevent udev probing by 
preventing enumeration), and that is implemented, but only handling 
modules is not enough. The compiled in drivers have to be handled too, 
otherwise you have gaping holes in the protection. We don't prevent 
users manually loading modules that might probe, but that is a policy 
decision that users actually sensibly make in user space.

Also I changing this single call really that bad? It's not that we 
changing anything drastic here, just give the low level subsystem a 
better hint about the intention. If you don't like the function name, 
could make it an argument instead?

-Andi



>

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-29 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-05  0:52 [PATCH v4 00/15] Add TDX Guest Support (shared-mm support) Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] x86/tdx: Exclude Shared bit from physical_mask Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] x86/tdx: Make pages shared in ioremap() Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] x86/tdx: Add helper to do MapGPA hypercall Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] x86/tdx: Make DMA pages shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for TD guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] x86/tdx: ioapic: Add shared bit for IOAPIC base address Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] x86/tdx: Enable shared memory protected guest flags for TDX guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] pci: Consolidate pci_iomap* and pci_iomap*wc Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:43   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-12 22:11     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-12 22:29     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] asm/io.h: Add ioremap_shared fallback Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-13  7:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range} Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-23 23:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24  0:30     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-24  1:04       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  2:14         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 17:20             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 18:55               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 20:14                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 20:31                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 20:50                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 21:05                       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-25 14:52                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 21:55                 ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-29 15:27               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:17                 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2021-08-29 22:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-30  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-30 20:59                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-31  0:23                         ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-10  9:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-10 16:34                             ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-11 23:54                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  5:53                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-24 22:43                                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-27  9:07                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 21:56         ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-24 21:59           ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  7:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-24 17:04         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-29 15:34           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:43             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:12       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] pci: Mark MSI data shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] virtio: Use shared mappings for virtio PCI devices Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] x86/tdx: Implement ioremap_shared for x86 Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] x86/tdx: Add cmdline option to force use of ioremap_shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan

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