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From: Christian Heimes <christian@python.org>
To: "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>, "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Aleksa Sarai" <cyphar@cyphar.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/6] fs: Add support for an O_MAYEXEC flag on openat2(2)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:40:35 +0200
Message-ID: <0c70debd-e79e-d514-06c6-4cd1e021fa8b@python.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202005121258.4213DC8A2@keescook>

On 12/05/2020 23.05, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
>> When the O_MAYEXEC flag is passed, openat2(2) may be subject to
>> additional restrictions depending on a security policy managed by the
>> kernel through a sysctl or implemented by an LSM thanks to the
>> inode_permission hook.  This new flag is ignored by open(2) and
>> openat(2).
>>
>> The underlying idea is to be able to restrict scripts interpretation
>> according to a policy defined by the system administrator.  For this to
>> be possible, script interpreters must use the O_MAYEXEC flag
>> appropriately.  To be fully effective, these interpreters also need to
>> handle the other ways to execute code: command line parameters (e.g.,
>> option -e for Perl), module loading (e.g., option -m for Python), stdin,
>> file sourcing, environment variables, configuration files, etc.
>> According to the threat model, it may be acceptable to allow some script
>> interpreters (e.g. Bash) to interpret commands from stdin, may it be a
>> TTY or a pipe, because it may not be enough to (directly) perform
>> syscalls.  Further documentation can be found in a following patch.
> 
> You touch on this lightly in the cover letter, but it seems there are
> plans for Python to restrict stdin parsing? Are there patches pending
> anywhere for other interpreters? (e.g. does CLIP OS have such patches?)
> 
> There's always a push-back against adding features that have external
> dependencies, and then those external dependencies can't happen without
> the kernel first adding a feature. :) I like getting these catch-22s
> broken, and I think the kernel is the right place to start, especially
> since the threat model (and implementation) is already proven out in
> CLIP OS, and now with IMA. So, while the interpreter side of this is
> still under development, this gives them the tool they need to get it
> done on the kernel side. So showing those pieces (as you've done) is
> great, and I think finding a little bit more detail here would be even
> better.

Hi,

Python core dev here.

Yes, there are plans to use feature for Python in combination with
additional restrictions. For backwards compatibility reasons we cannot
change the behavior of the default Python interpreter. I have plans to
provide a restricted Python binary that prohibits piping from stdin,
disables -c "some_code()", restricts import locations, and a couple of
other things. O_MAYEXEC flag makes it easier to block imports from
noexec filesystems.

My PoC [1] for a talk [2] last year is inspired by IMA appraisal and a
previous talk by Mickaël on O_MAYEXEC.

Christian

[1] https://github.com/zooba/spython/blob/master/linux_xattr/spython.c
[2]
https://speakerdeck.com/tiran/europython-2019-auditing-hooks-and-security-transparency-for-cpython

  reply index

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-05 15:31 [PATCH v5 0/6] Add support for O_MAYEXEC Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] fs: Add support for an O_MAYEXEC flag on openat2(2) Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-12 21:05   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 21:40     ` Christian Heimes [this message]
2020-05-12 22:56       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-13 10:13     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] fs: Add a MAY_EXECMOUNT flag to infer the noexec mount property Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-12 21:09   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14  8:14     ` Lev R. Oshvang .
2020-05-14 15:48       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-17 16:57         ` Lev R. Oshvang .
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] fs: Enable to enforce noexec mounts or file exec through O_MAYEXEC Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:44   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-05-05 16:55     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 17:40       ` Randy Dunlap
2020-05-12 21:48   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-13 11:09     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-13 15:37   ` Stephen Smalley
2020-05-13 23:27     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14  3:05       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14 10:12         ` David Laight
2020-05-14 12:22         ` Stephen Smalley
2020-05-14 14:41           ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14 15:52             ` Stephen Smalley
2020-05-14 15:45           ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14 16:10             ` Stephen Smalley
2020-05-14 19:16               ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-15  0:58                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-15  8:01                 ` How about just O_EXEC? (was Re: [PATCH v5 3/6] fs: Enable to enforce noexec mounts or file exec through O_MAYEXEC) Kees Cook
2020-05-15  8:43                   ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-15 14:37                     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-15 14:43                       ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-15 15:50                         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-18  7:26                           ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-19  2:23                           ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-05-19 10:13                             ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-15 11:04                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-15 15:46                     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-15 18:24                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-14 19:21       ` [PATCH v5 3/6] fs: Enable to enforce noexec mounts or file exec through O_MAYEXEC Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] selftest/openat2: Add tests for O_MAYEXEC enforcing Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-12 21:57   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-13 11:18     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] doc: Add documentation for the fs.open_mayexec_enforce sysctl Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-12 22:00   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-13 11:20     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:31 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] ima: add policy support for the new file open MAY_OPENEXEC flag Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-05 15:36 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] Add support for O_MAYEXEC Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-06 13:58   ` Lev R. Oshvang .
2020-05-06 15:41     ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-05-07  8:30     ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-07  8:05 ` David Laight
2020-05-07  8:36   ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-07  9:00     ` David Laight
2020-05-07  9:30       ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-07  9:44         ` David Laight
2020-05-07 13:38           ` Mickaël Salaün
2020-05-08  7:15             ` Lev R. Oshvang .
2020-05-08 14:01               ` Mimi Zohar

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