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From: Reid Hekman <reid.hekman@ndsu.nodak.edu>
To: Rene Engelhard <mail@rene-engelhard.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.help.
Date: 21 Dec 2001 08:40:25 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1008945627.6599.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B848EEB6.406C%mail@rene-engelhard.de>
In-Reply-To: <B848EEB6.406C%mail@rene-engelhard.de>

On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 06:50, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> >> Why? For instance a millibyte/s might be a hearbeat across a LAN every
> >> hour or so or it might be a control traffic requirement for a deep space
> >> probe. You might not have an immediate use for the term but it has a
> >> specific meaning - and certainly isn't "absurd" (see definition on
> >> http://www.dict.org).
> > 
> > So, is it 1/1024 or 1/1000 bytes ?  :-)
> 
> 1/1024. Because we are talking about byte.

What does bytes have to do with anything? Is it 
1/(2^3 * 10^7) or 1/(2^3 * 2^7)? We're talking about expressing a number
of "bytes"; terms of the base number system don't have any bearing --
and that's the problem. RAM and addressing are restricted to expressions
in terms of binary numbers, as in 2^10, 2^20, etc. Hard drive
manufacturers feel it's neccessary to express storage in terms of base
10 numbers of bytes, even though a sector is 2^9 bytes. In networking,
absolute numbers of bits on the wire are whats important. Though for
some reason telecom engineers have pinned megabit as 1,024,000 bits.
Experienced CS people can glean the proper definition from context, but
the terms should really lend themselves to accurate definition all the
time. If I just say off the cuff that I'm going to send you a megabyte
of data, do I mean 1,000,000 bytes, 1,048,576 bytes, or 1,024,000 bytes?
With the new measures those would be a megabyte, a mebibyte, and 1,024
kilobytes respectively.

Personally I feel that "kibibyte(KiB)" and "mebibyte(MiB)" are silly,
but they are technically unambiguous.

Regards,
Reid
--
"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can
fail; without it nothing can succeed." -- Abraham Lincoln



> 
> Rene



  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-21 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-21 11:44 Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.help Christian Groessler
2001-12-21 12:50 ` Rene Engelhard
2001-12-21 14:40   ` Reid Hekman [this message]
2001-12-21 14:48     ` Rene Engelhard
2001-12-26 19:04       ` Riley Williams
2001-12-21 15:48   ` Mike Jagdis
2001-12-21 16:07     ` Rene Engelhard
2001-12-21 17:43     ` Bob Glamm
2001-12-21 20:50       ` Andreas Ferber
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203181358540.25105-100000@router.windsormac hine.com>
2002-03-19 14:20 ` Pete Cervasio
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-18 11:31 Nayyer Tiger
2002-03-18 16:12 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-03-18 16:36   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-18 13:53     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-03-18 17:38     ` Jakob Kemi
2002-03-18 18:24     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-18 18:35       ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-18 19:00         ` Mike Dresser
2002-03-18 19:08           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-18 19:31             ` Chris Friesen
2002-03-18 22:04               ` Mike Dresser
2002-03-18 22:12                 ` Mike Dresser
2002-03-19 11:48             ` Remco Post
2002-03-18 17:04 ` Steven Cole
2002-01-08 21:24 Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB =?iso-8859-1?q?in Configure=2Ehelp=2E?= Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2002-01-08 21:29 ` Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.help H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-08 22:15   ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2002-01-08 23:03 ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-23  9:18 Per Jessen
2001-12-23 16:34 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-22 23:22 Per Jessen
2001-12-23  7:21 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-23 13:35   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-22  8:39 matthew david reuther
2002-01-08 21:18 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-12-22  2:51 Thomas Hood
2001-12-21 22:55 Stuart Lynne
2001-12-21 19:55 Per Jessen
     [not found] ` <by>
2001-12-22  1:48 ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-22  4:32   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-22  4:49     ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-22  7:57     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-22 18:22       ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-22 19:54         ` Derek Fawcus
2001-12-22  2:11 ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-22  4:44   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-22  4:55     ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-12-22  5:29   ` Ryan Cumming
2001-12-22  5:53     ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-22 22:41     ` Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in?Configure.help Vojtech Pavlik
2001-12-22 10:53   ` Pekka Pietikäinen
2001-12-20 19:25 Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.help RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-20 21:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-21 23:05   ` Rob Landley
2001-12-20 19:13 Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.hel p Nicholas Knight
2001-12-20 19:41 ` Changing KB, MB, and GB to KiB, MiB, and GiB in Configure.help Mike Harrold
2001-12-21 16:59   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-21 17:50     ` Mike Harrold
2001-12-21 18:41       ` Kent Borg
2001-12-21 18:49         ` lk
2001-12-21 19:12           ` Kent Borg
2001-12-22  4:51       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-12-20 18:02 Steven Cole
2001-12-20 18:16 ` Matt Bernstein
2001-12-20 18:42   ` Randolph Bentson
2001-12-20 19:00     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-20 19:07       ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-20 18:47   ` Michael Dunsky
2001-12-20 19:00     ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-21  1:44   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-20 18:26 ` Robert Love
2001-12-20 18:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-20 19:32   ` Steven Cole
2001-12-20 19:37     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-20 20:40     ` Marc Schiffbauer
2001-12-20 20:32   ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-12-20 21:05     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-12-20 21:14       ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-12-20 21:25         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-20 22:49         ` Mike Eldridge
2001-12-21 10:58           ` Mike Jagdis
2001-12-26 18:59           ` Riley Williams
2002-01-02 17:17           ` Jonathan Amery
2002-01-02 20:17             ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-03  4:23               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 15:46                 ` Timothy Covell
2001-12-24 13:39   ` Lionel Bouton
2001-12-25 11:25     ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-25 20:14       ` Lionel Bouton
2001-12-20 19:49 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-22 10:24   ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-12-22 10:47     ` Phil Howard
2001-12-22 11:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-22 20:18       ` Pozsar Balazs
2001-12-23  5:39         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-24 13:21     ` Ian Molton
2001-12-22 16:03   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-23 10:43   ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-23 12:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-12-23 16:24   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-24 12:37   ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-28 10:25   ` Kai Henningsen

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