From: Shaya Potter <spotter@cs.columbia.edu>
To: Maciej Zenczykowski <maze@cela.pl>
Cc: "Pat LaVarre" <p.lavarre@ieee.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@debian.org>,
"Erez Zadok" <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>,
"Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
"Phillip Lougher" <phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk>,
"Kallol Biswas" <kbiswas@neoscale.com>
Subject: Re: partially encrypted filesystem
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:04:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1070755439.4726.3.camel@zaphod> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0312061233280.11259-100000@gaia.cela.pl>
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 06:43, Maciej Zenczykowski wrote:
> > Suppose we wish to encrypt the files on a disc or disk or drive that we
> > carry from one computer to another.
> >
> > Where else can the encryption go, if not "down to the file system"?
>
> Of course down to the file system - in this sense. My point was that you
> were utilizing sparse features of the filesystem in ways for which it
> likely wasn't designed, thus you would likely encounter problems and/or
> slowdowns. Face it: sparse files are seldom used and when they are used
> it is mostly for static files. It is unusual for a file of 500 blocks to
> have 200 1 block sparse holes and 25 2 block sparse holes. This is what
> you'd get with your compression (assuming a 50% comp ratio). That's a
> single smallish files with 225 sparse empty regions. I doubt the
> filesystem is optimized to deal nicely with that. The problem being that
> any later write access to such a file which compresses better or worse
> than the original data in that area (ie uses one (or more) less/more
> blocks than what used to be there) causes fragmentations and requires
> extra pointers etc... you may soon end up with a 500 block file with 225
> sparse holes and 275 pointers to single blocks (instead of one long
> continuous area with data represented with a single pointer and length).
> Sure, the file system will likely manage to deal with it - but a) this'll
> be a real filesystem stress test (assuming stuff like this happens in
> every file... you'd have millions of single blocks instead of thousands of
> contiguous areas)) and b) this'll stress code (which hasn't been as
> optimized as the rest) and algorithms (which aren't fast to begin with).
> In other words you are likely to hit fs bugs and slowdowns. I'm not
> saying this isn't the best way to do it - but, you may be required to
> invest significant time into making sparse file handling work _well_ in
> extreme cases in order for this to work stabily and/or quickly. And of
> course if you then change the underlying file system you'll have to start
> the sparse handling rewrite over from the bottom-up. That's why I'm not
> sure whether this shouldn't be done with some other method - a method
> which would be less likely to cause massive disk fragmentation.
on this topic, bittorrent on linux would also stree the system, as I
believe what it does is first create one huge sparse file (empty) and
then begins to fill in regions.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-07 0:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-03 21:07 partially encrypted filesystem Kallol Biswas
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-03 23:20 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 1:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-04 2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 3:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-12-04 2:37 ` Charles Manning
2003-12-04 14:17 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 15:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 16:07 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 17:26 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 18:20 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 18:40 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 19:41 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 11:20 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 16:16 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 19:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 19:47 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 20:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 21:38 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 0:15 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-06 1:35 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 2:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-06 11:43 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-07 0:04 ` Shaya Potter [this message]
2003-12-08 14:08 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-06 0:50 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-08 11:37 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:44 ` phillip
2003-12-08 14:07 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-10 1:16 ` [OT?]Re: " Charles Manning
2003-12-10 17:45 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-09 23:40 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10 0:07 ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-10 1:28 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10 2:13 ` Charles Manning
2003-12-05 19:58 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-08 11:28 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:49 ` phillip
2003-12-04 19:18 ` David Wagner
2003-12-05 13:02 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 17:28 ` Frank v Waveren
2003-12-05 23:59 ` David Wagner
2003-12-19 15:01 ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-04 3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-04 18:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-12-06 19:56 Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 22:07 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-10 3:22 Valient Gough
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