From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
lkml@s2y4n2c.de, rlrevell@joe-job.com, arjanv@redhat.com,
joq@io.com, chrisw@osdl.org, mpm@selenic.com, hch@infradead.org,
mingo@elte.hu, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:14:52 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1105679692.5402.125.camel@npiggin-nld.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501140445.j0E4j94k001522@localhost.localdomain>
On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 23:45 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
> >Alternatively, could you grant the required capabilities to use real
> >RT scheduling and not foul up the scheduler?
>
> this is precisely the point i was making. either you agree that
> unprivileged users can get easy access to a scheduling class that can
> reliably DOS the system, or they can't. if they can't, what kind of
> scheduling class can they access easily?
>
> according to andrew, and i agree with his conclusion, many people
> agree that its OK for them to get access to the DOS class, but there's
> little agreement on the security model to allow this. Con is
> suggesting that they are not, but instead get a different scheduling
> class that is functionally equivalent except that it can't
> (theoretically) be used to DOS the system.
Well IMO that would be preferable if there are no other objections.
I can't think how any sort of unprivileged "real time" scheduling
would have a place on multi-user systems.
And if it is only really used on single user systems then presumably
the priority elevation isn't a big problem provided it can be properly
managed. So this would appear to be the better solution.
Supposing you do want some sort of DOS prevention in the system, I'd
much prefer it be handled by a trusted user-space daemon for example,
rather than scheduler smarts (which may require a little bit of work
to limit priorities but would be relatively straightforward).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-14 5:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-12-30 2:43 [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM Lee Revell
2005-01-03 14:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 14:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:40 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:16 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:55 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-04 18:59 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 0:01 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05 1:28 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 1:30 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 1:50 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 1:55 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 2:05 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 2:58 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-01-05 3:45 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 4:06 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-05 15:19 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 15:21 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 12:56 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 13:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 14:16 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 14:38 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:27 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 15:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:41 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:20 ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-08 5:36 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-08 6:21 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:20 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 21:12 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 22:07 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 22:36 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 23:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 23:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 23:34 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-10 21:05 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 22:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 22:26 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-08 6:12 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-08 16:56 ` ross
2005-01-08 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-08 22:20 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-08 22:27 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-08 22:14 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-10 21:20 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 13:05 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 16:28 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 18:59 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:47 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 21:07 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 19:17 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:42 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:50 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 20:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 21:14 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 22:13 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:26 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-12 3:21 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12 4:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 5:44 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13 6:34 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13 19:17 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14 20:52 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-15 0:42 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 2:19 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-15 4:06 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 13:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 23:38 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-16 23:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-17 9:17 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-17 14:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-17 10:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18 5:02 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-18 8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18 17:05 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19 8:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 14:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:45 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19 18:32 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-20 8:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 14:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 19:50 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:57 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:05 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:29 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:47 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:10 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:20 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:28 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:38 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-11 22:51 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:05 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 1:43 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12 7:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-12 21:12 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13 0:44 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13 7:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:04 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13 21:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:25 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13 21:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 23:31 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14 0:33 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 0:50 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 1:20 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14 1:27 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 17:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15 1:14 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 8:06 ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15 23:48 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14 2:05 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14 2:08 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 2:23 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 2:35 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14 2:42 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 3:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 3:28 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14 3:26 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14 2:24 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 2:40 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14 2:57 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 3:12 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 3:18 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 3:30 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14 3:38 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 3:51 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14 4:00 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 4:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 3:31 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 3:34 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14 4:11 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 4:23 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 4:45 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14 5:14 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-01-14 9:21 ` Will Dyson
2005-01-14 9:54 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14 6:57 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14 7:04 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 7:55 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:10 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:55 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14 23:04 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-15 0:58 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:05 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:42 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:16 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:21 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:36 ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 22:41 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:17 ` utz
2005-01-11 22:48 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:06 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12 2:13 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-12 19:09 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12 21:25 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:19 ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-11 22:45 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 21:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-12 2:10 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 4:56 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 14:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:10 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 1:48 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 4:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-07 23:00 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 22:22 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:44 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-07 16:03 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:22 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-08 13:04 ` Paul Jakma
2005-01-07 14:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 15:26 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:08 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:14 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:29 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:36 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 17:06 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 17:32 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:38 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 19:55 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:37 ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-07 16:41 ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:53 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 18:01 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 18:18 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 4:04 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:32 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:57 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 1:35 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-05 4:18 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05 5:50 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 12:06 ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-01-07 1:13 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 1:55 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 20:05 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-05 20:09 ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-01-07 1:18 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 2:36 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 5:54 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:02 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:21 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:27 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:46 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:55 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:20 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 21:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:45 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 11:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:35 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] <20050112185258.GG2940@waste.org>
2005-01-12 21:16 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08 3:50 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 3:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 4:16 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 4:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08 4:28 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 4:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 4:47 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 4:58 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 18:55 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 19:11 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08 20:29 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 21:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 21:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:55 ` James Morris
2005-03-08 5:19 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08 4:33 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 4:40 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 5:30 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08 6:33 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09 3:39 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-09 3:44 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09 4:04 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-10 14:01 ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-08 5:40 ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08 5:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08 6:28 ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08 6:40 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 6:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08 6:00 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 6:18 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 5:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08 6:45 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 6:49 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 6:55 ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 8:45 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 19:17 ` utz lehmann
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=1105679692.5402.125.camel@npiggin-nld.site \
--to=nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au \
--cc=akpm@osdl.org \
--cc=alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
--cc=arjanv@redhat.com \
--cc=chrisw@osdl.org \
--cc=hch@infradead.org \
--cc=joq@io.com \
--cc=kernel@kolivas.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=lkml@s2y4n2c.de \
--cc=mingo@elte.hu \
--cc=mpm@selenic.com \
--cc=paul@linuxaudiosystems.com \
--cc=rlrevell@joe-job.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).