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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, casey@schaufler-ca.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions [try #2]
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1197322068.18120.176.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25572.1197320887@redhat.com>

On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 21:08 +0000, David Howells wrote:
> Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
> 
> > Otherwise, only other issue I have with this interface is it won't
> > generalize to dealing with nfsd, where we want to set the acting context
> > to a context we obtain from or determine based upon the client.
> 
> Are you speaking of security_kernel_act_as() and security_create_files_as()
> specifically?  Or the task_struct::act_as override pointer in general?

security_kernel_act_as()

> I don't really know how nfsd wants to obtain and set its LSM context, so it's
> a bit difficult for me to make something that works for nfsd as well as
> cachefiles.

It would get a context from the client or from a local configuration
that would map security-unaware clients to a default context, and then
want to assume that context for the particular operation.  No transition
involved.

> > Why can't cachefilesd just push a context into the kernel and pass that
> > into the hook as the acting context,
> 
> How does cachefilesd come up with such a context?  Grab it from
> /etc/cachefilesd.conf?

>From a config file whose pathname would be provided by libselinux (ala
the way in which dbusd imports contexts), or directly as a context
returned by a libselinux function.  Has to be done that way so that it
can be set differently for different policy types (strict, targeted,
mls).

Naturally, cachefiles (the kernel module) would invoke a security hook
to check whether the daemon is allowed to set the specified context.

> I use to do that, but someone objected...  Possibly Karl MacMillan.

Yes, but I think I disagreed then too.

> > and then nfsd can do likewise using the context provided by the client or
> > obtained locally from exports for ordinary clients?  Avoids the transition
> > SID computation altogether within the kernel and makes this more generic.
> 
> I seem to remember that I was told that it should be done this way, possibly
> by Karl MacMillan, but I don't remember exactly.
> 
> Now it's configured by cachefilesd.te:
> 
> 	type_transition cachefilesd_t kernel_t : process cachefiles_kernel_t;

It doesn't fit with how other users of security_kernel_act_as() will
likely want to work (they will want to just set the context to a
specified value, whether one obtained from the client or from some local
source), nor with how type transitions normally work (exec, with the
program type as the second type field).  I think it will just cause
confusion and subtle breakage.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-10 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-05 19:38 [PATCH 00/28] Permit filesystem local caching [try #2] David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 01/28] KEYS: Increase the payload size when instantiating a key " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 02/28] KEYS: Check starting keyring as part of search " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 03/28] KEYS: Allow the callout data to be passed as a blob rather than a string " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 04/28] KEYS: Add keyctl function to get a security label " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 05/28] Security: Change current->fs[ug]id to current_fs[ug]id() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 06/28] SECURITY: Separate task security context from task_struct " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 07/28] SECURITY: De-embed task security record from task and use refcounting " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions " David Howells
2007-12-10 16:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 17:07   ` David Howells
2007-12-10 17:23     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 21:08     ` David Howells
2007-12-10 21:27       ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2007-12-10 22:26         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:44           ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:56             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 18:34           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:26             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:56               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:40                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:36       ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:46         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:52           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:37         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 14:41           ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:53           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:59             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-11 20:42         ` David Howells
2007-12-11 21:18           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 21:34           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-19  3:28             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19  5:39               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-19 14:54               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 22:43           ` David Howells
2007-12-11 23:04             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 15:25               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 16:51                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 18:12                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 18:34                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:44                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:49                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 20:09                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:29                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:32                       ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:25               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:20                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:29                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:35                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:55                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:51                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 16:03                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:29               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:33                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 19:37                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:52                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:49                 ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:49                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 15:36                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 16:23                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 17:01                     ` David Howells
2007-12-13 17:27                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 18:04                       ` David Howells
2007-12-19  3:28           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19 23:38           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 16:51     ` David Howells
2008-01-09 18:11       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 18:56       ` David Howells
2008-01-09 19:19         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-10 11:09         ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:01       ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:52         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 15:19           ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:56         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 16:03         ` David Howells
2008-01-15 16:08           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 18:10           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 19:15             ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 21:55             ` David Howells
2008-01-15 22:23               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 14:06       ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:58         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-23 20:52         ` David Howells
2008-01-23 22:03           ` James Morris
2008-01-09 17:27     ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 09/28] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2007-12-14  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:42   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:03     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 10/28] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:08   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:36   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:00     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:33     ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:08       ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 16:27       ` David Howells
2008-01-07 11:33         ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-07 13:09         ` David Howells
2008-01-08  3:01           ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08 23:51           ` David Howells
2008-01-09  1:52             ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-09 15:45             ` David Howells
2008-01-09 23:52               ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 11/28] FS-Cache: Provide an add_wait_queue_tail() function " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 12/28] FS-Cache: Generic filesystem caching facility " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 13/28] CacheFiles: Add missing copy_page export for ia64 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 14/28] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 15/28] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 16/28] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 17/28] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 18/28] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 19/28] NFS: Use local caching " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 20/28] NFS: Configuration and mount option changes to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 21/28] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 22/28] fcrypt endianness misannotations " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 23/28] AFS: Add TestSetPageError() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 24/28] AFS: Add a function to excise a rejected write from the pagecache " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:21   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:54   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:07     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:49     ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:11       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 25/28] AFS: Improve handling of a rejected writeback " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 26/28] AF_RXRPC: Save the operation ID for debugging " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 27/28] AFS: Implement shared-writable mmap " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 28/28] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells

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