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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>, casey@schaufler-ca.com
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions [try #2]
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:51:31 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <336290.70309.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1197473127.1125.50.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>


--- Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 15:04 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> > --- David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > All your code has to do is invoke a function provided by libselinux.
> > > 
> > > Calling libselinux means it's a special case for a specific LSM.
> > > 
> > > I think the best way to do this, then, has to be to dlopen the
> appropriate
> > > LSM
> > > library.  That way I don't need to do any conditional compilation or
> linking,
> > > but can build all the bits in to cachefilesd and have the appropriate one
> > > selected by the /etc/cachefilesd.conf.
> > > 
> > > So, what do I invoke in libselinux, how do I configure it, and how do I
> > > integrate the config into my RPM and install it?
> > > 
> > > And then what does it give me that I can hand to the kernel (a context
> string
> > > for SELinux, I presume), how do I get the kernel to make a check on it,
> how
> > > do
> > > I configure the check and how do I install that config from my RPM (I
> presume
> > > I just need to modify the .fc, .if and .te files that I have already)?
> > 
> > That seems like an awful lot of work. I suggest that what you
> > put in /etc/cachefilesd.conf is a line like:
> > 
> >    security_context:"<whatever>"
> > 
> > and have your daemon pass "<whatever>" into the kernel using
> > a cachefile mechanism. The kernel code can call
> > security_secctx_to_secid("<whatever>") to determine if it's valid.
> > No need to invoke LSM specific code in your daemon. You may need
> > to have an application, say cachefileselinuxcontext, that will
> > read the current policy and spit out an appropriate value of
> > "<whatever>", but that can be separate and LSM specific without
> > mucking up your basic infrastructure applications. 
> 
> That sounds workable, although I think he will want a more specific hook
> than security_secctx_to_secid(), or possibly a second hook call, that
> would not only validate the context but authorize the use of it by the
> cachefilesd process.

What sort of authorization are you thinking of? I would expect
that to have been done by cachefileselinuxcontext (or
cachefilesspiffylsmcontext) up in userspace. If you're going to
rely on userspace applications for policy enforcement they need
to be good enough to count on after all.

> And then the security_task_kernel_act_as() hook
> just takes the secid as input rather than the task struct of the daemon,
> and applies it.  At that point, nfsd can use the same mechanism for
> setting the acting SID based on the client process after doing its own
> authorization.

good points all, in spite of my personal distaste for secids.


Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-12 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-05 19:38 [PATCH 00/28] Permit filesystem local caching [try #2] David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 01/28] KEYS: Increase the payload size when instantiating a key " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 02/28] KEYS: Check starting keyring as part of search " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 03/28] KEYS: Allow the callout data to be passed as a blob rather than a string " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 04/28] KEYS: Add keyctl function to get a security label " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 05/28] Security: Change current->fs[ug]id to current_fs[ug]id() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 06/28] SECURITY: Separate task security context from task_struct " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 07/28] SECURITY: De-embed task security record from task and use refcounting " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions " David Howells
2007-12-10 16:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 17:07   ` David Howells
2007-12-10 17:23     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 21:08     ` David Howells
2007-12-10 21:27       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 22:26         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:44           ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:56             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 18:34           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:26             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:56               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:40                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:36       ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:46         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:52           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:37         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 14:41           ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:53           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:59             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-11 20:42         ` David Howells
2007-12-11 21:18           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 21:34           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-19  3:28             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19  5:39               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-19 14:54               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 22:43           ` David Howells
2007-12-11 23:04             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 15:25               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 16:51                 ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2007-12-12 18:12                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 18:34                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:44                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:49                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 20:09                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:29                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:32                       ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:25               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:20                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:29                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:35                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:55                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:51                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 16:03                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:29               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:33                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 19:37                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:52                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:49                 ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:49                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 15:36                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 16:23                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 17:01                     ` David Howells
2007-12-13 17:27                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 18:04                       ` David Howells
2007-12-19  3:28           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19 23:38           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 16:51     ` David Howells
2008-01-09 18:11       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 18:56       ` David Howells
2008-01-09 19:19         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-10 11:09         ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:01       ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:52         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 15:19           ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:56         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 16:03         ` David Howells
2008-01-15 16:08           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 18:10           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 19:15             ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 21:55             ` David Howells
2008-01-15 22:23               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 14:06       ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:58         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-23 20:52         ` David Howells
2008-01-23 22:03           ` James Morris
2008-01-09 17:27     ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 09/28] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2007-12-14  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:42   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:03     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 10/28] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:08   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:36   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:00     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:33     ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:08       ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 16:27       ` David Howells
2008-01-07 11:33         ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-07 13:09         ` David Howells
2008-01-08  3:01           ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08 23:51           ` David Howells
2008-01-09  1:52             ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-09 15:45             ` David Howells
2008-01-09 23:52               ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 11/28] FS-Cache: Provide an add_wait_queue_tail() function " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 12/28] FS-Cache: Generic filesystem caching facility " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 13/28] CacheFiles: Add missing copy_page export for ia64 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 14/28] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 15/28] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 16/28] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 17/28] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 18/28] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 19/28] NFS: Use local caching " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 20/28] NFS: Configuration and mount option changes to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 21/28] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 22/28] fcrypt endianness misannotations " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 23/28] AFS: Add TestSetPageError() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 24/28] AFS: Add a function to excise a rejected write from the pagecache " David Howells
2007-12-14  4:21   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:54   ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:07     ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:49     ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:11       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 25/28] AFS: Improve handling of a rejected writeback " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 26/28] AF_RXRPC: Save the operation ID for debugging " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 27/28] AFS: Implement shared-writable mmap " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 28/28] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells

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