* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10011072030070.15254-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> @ 2000-11-08 5:08 ` Michael Rothwell 2000-11-08 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds 2000-11-08 7:26 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Linus Torvalds 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Michael Rothwell @ 2000-11-08 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: jt, Linux kernel mailing list, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Michael Rothwell wrote: > > > > Linus, can you post reasons why you keep ignoring^W rejecting the IrDA > > patch? > > Basically, whatever Alan rants, I've not seen the patches all that many > times at all. > > Also, I've never seen much in the form of explanation, and at least the > last patch I saw just the first screenful was so off-putting that I just > went "Ok, I have real bugs to fix, I don't need this crap". > > Linus Like what? I'm not sure what you're saying here. It seems that the pople writing the IrDA code have gotten no feedback from you as to why their patch is never accepted -- could you clarify? They're apparently putting a lot of effort into writing and fixing IrDA for Linux, and have become very discouraged at the lack of feedback. "Crap" the code may be, but it seems like it would be a good idea to at least say something substantive about why their code keeps getting rejected. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 5:08 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Michael Rothwell @ 2000-11-08 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds [not found] ` <20001109192404.B25828@bougret.hpl.hp.com> 2000-11-08 7:26 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Linus Torvalds 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-08 5:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Rothwell; +Cc: jt, Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Michael Rothwell wrote: > Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > Also, I've never seen much in the form of explanation, and at least the > > last patch I saw just the first screenful was so off-putting that I just > > went "Ok, I have real bugs to fix, I don't need this crap". > > Like what? I'm not sure what you're saying here. It seems that the pople > writing the IrDA code have gotten no feedback from you as to why their > patch is never accepted -- could you clarify? There's one _major_ reason why things never get accepted: CVS trees I'm not fed patches. I'm force-fed big changes every once in a while. I don't like it. I like it even less when the very first screen of a patch is basically a stupid change that implies that somebody calls ioctl's from interrupts. When I get a big patch like that, where the very first screen is bletcherous, what the hell am I supposed to do? I'm not going to waste my time on people who cannot send multiple small and well-defined patches, and who send be big, ugly, "non-maintained" (as far as I'm concerned) patches. I'm surprised Alan rants about this. He knows VERY well how I work, and is (along with Jeff Garzik and Randy Dunlap) one of the people who are very good at sending me 25 separate patches with explanations of what they do. Basically, if you send me a big patch with tons of changes, how the hell DO you expect me to answer them? Does anybodt really expect me to go through ten thousand lines of code that I do not know, and comment on it? Obviously not, as anybody with an ounce of sense would see. So what choice do I have? Apply them blindly? Quite frankly, I'd rather have a few people hate me deeply than apply stuff I don't like. If I just start blindly applying big patches, I can avoid nasty discussions. But I'd rather have people flame me. Maybe some day people will instead start sending me smaller commented patches. I'm NOT going to do other peoples work for them. If people can't be bothered to send me well-specified patches ESPECIALLY now that we're close to 2.4.x, then I can't be bothered to apply them, Live with it. Hat eme all you like. I do not care. Th ething I care about is not letting too much crap through unchecked. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (+ more flames) [not found] ` <20001109192404.B25828@bougret.hpl.hp.com> @ 2000-11-10 3:50 ` Jean Tourrilhes 2000-11-10 19:56 ` The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) Linus Torvalds 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-10 3:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kernel Mailing List On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 07:24:04PM -0800, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > > I spent my full day going through my archives and splitting > the big patch of Dag into lots of small patches (see attached). I'm > glad I've got a big hard drive full of junk. By the way, while I'm in flaming mode, could somebody tell ESR that this patch split (as well as most of the patches themselves) was sponsored by HP ? He should check his fact more carefully before jumping on his guns, he seem one of the few who haven't visited the Wireless LAN Howto... Now I can cool down... Jean - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) [not found] ` <20001109192404.B25828@bougret.hpl.hp.com> 2000-11-10 3:50 ` The IrDA patches !!! (+ more flames) Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-10 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds 2000-11-10 21:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes 2000-11-11 12:04 ` Horst von Brand 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-10 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jt; +Cc: Michael Rothwell, Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > > I spent my full day going through my archives and splitting > the big patch of Dag into lots of small patches (see attached). I'm > glad I've got a big hard drive full of junk. When I say multiple mails, I mean multiple mails. NOT "26 attachements in one mail". In fact, not a single attachment at all, please. Send me patches as a regular text body, with the explanation at the top, and the patch just appended. Why? Attachements may look simple, but they are not. I end up having to open each and every one of them individually, remembering which one I've checked, save them off individually, remembering what the file name was, and then apply them each individually. See the picture? Attachements are evil. In contrast, imagine that you (and everybody else) sends me plain-text patches, with just an explanation on top. What do I do? I see the explanation immediately when I open the mail (ie when I press the "n" key for "next email"). I can save it off with a simple "s../doit", which saves it in _one_ "doit" file appended to all the other pending stuff. Alternatively, I can skip it, or leave it pending, and let the _mail_software_ remember whether I answered that particular patch. I can reply to it individually, and that patch (and nothing else) will be automatically set up for the reply so that I can easily quote whatever parts I want to point out. I can apply all the patches that I have approved with a single patch -p1 < ~/doit without having to go through them individually. None of the above works with attachments. > > Basically, if you send me a big patch with tons of changes, how the hell > > DO you expect me to answer them? Does anybodt really expect me to go > > through ten thousand lines of code that I do not know, and comment on it? > > Obviously not, as anybody with an ounce of sense would see. > > If somebody send you 1000 lines in one go or as 100 times 10 > lines, it doesn't matter, it is still 1000 lines of code to read > through. Even small patches can be totally obscure for somebody not > familiar with the code and what it is supposed to do. You are WRONG. 10 emails with 1000-line patches are _much_ easier to handle. I can clearly see the parts that belong together (nothing is mixed up with other issues), and I can keep the explanation in mind. I do not have to remind myself what that particular piece is doing. It has other advantages too. With a single 10000-line patch, if I don't like something, I have a hard time just removing THAT part. So I have to reject the whole f*cking patch, and the person who sent it to me has to fix up the whole thing (assuming I'd bother answering to it, poitning out the parts that I don't like from the large patch, which I will not). With 10 1000-line emails, I can decide to apply 8 of them outright, apply one with comments, and discard one that does something particularly nauseating. And I can much more easily explain to the submitter which one I hate, without having to edit it down. See? Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) 2000-11-10 19:56 ` The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-10 21:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes 2000-11-12 2:43 ` Linus Torvalds 2000-11-11 12:04 ` Horst von Brand 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-10 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 11:56:57AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > When I say multiple mails, I mean multiple mails. NOT "26 attachements in > one mail". In fact, not a single attachment at all, please. Send me > patches as a regular text body, with the explanation at the top, and the > patch just appended. No problem, they are going to come this way. Your mailbox should be full by tonight. Please remember that they are *incremental*, skipping some of them may work, skipping others may fail. I can't do much about that because this is the way things are developped (patch of a patch). > I can reply to it individually, and that patch (and nothing else) will be > automatically set up for the reply so that I can easily quote whatever > parts I want to point out. Good. I didn't know this featured existed ;-) > You are WRONG. > > 10 emails with 1000-line patches are _much_ easier to handle. I can > clearly see the parts that belong together (nothing is mixed up with other > issues), and I can keep the explanation in mind. I do not have to remind > myself what that particular piece is doing. > > It has other advantages too. With a single 10000-line patch, if I don't > like something, I have a hard time just removing THAT part. So I have to > reject the whole f*cking patch, and the person who sent it to me has to > fix up the whole thing (assuming I'd bother answering to it, poitning out > the parts that I don't like from the large patch, which I will not). > > With 10 1000-line emails, I can decide to apply 8 of them outright, apply > one with comments, and discard one that does something particularly > nauseating. And I can much more easily explain to the submitter which one > I hate, without having to edit it down. Yes, you are right, and I realised it looking back to some of the patches. But this needs to be balanced against the cost of context switches, especially for IrDA code. > See? > > Linus I hope you realise that I'm only acting as a facilitator and doing the work of Dag, because I need to get IrDA in proper shape in 2.4 (because I need IrNET), and because most of the patches are mines (see comments). So yes, I did flame, but it was only to get things moving and remove the deadlock, so let's forget about the bad words... Dag will keep being the IrDA maintainer (I hope he will have learned his lesson), and I hope you will finish the whole process with Dag, because next week is a Wireless LAN week for me ;-) And I should also look at BlueTooth PAN if ever I've got time :-( For the patches : I'll send them to you personally, there is no need to abuse further the LKML (they have the attachement version). They will be formated as described above. I hope my little fingers won't do any mistakes ;-) Have fun, and thanks again for taking the time to sort out the issues ;-) Jean - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) 2000-11-10 21:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-12 2:43 ` Linus Torvalds 2000-11-12 3:12 ` Jean Tourrilhes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-12 2:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jt; +Cc: Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox Ok, thanks to the work of Jean, everything seems to be applied now. I'll make a test3 one of these days (probably tomorrow), please verify that everything looks happy. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) 2000-11-12 2:43 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-12 3:12 ` Jean Tourrilhes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-12 3:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 06:43:26PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Ok, thanks to the work of Jean, everything seems to be applied now. > > I'll make a test3 one of these days (probably tomorrow), please verify > that everything looks happy. > > Linus Linus, Sorry to bother you again, but a important note... I sent you the whole serie of patches. Then Dag sent it to you again today. The patches were the same *except* for #14. Dag did replace the original #14 patch that you didn't like with a cleaner version (using empty packet to trigger speed changes). I'm sorry for the confusion. But don't worry, we will adjust for whatever you put in test3 and work from there, so please don't do anything ;-) And yes, I'll put it to the usual tests... And thanks again for taking the time to go through the patches so quickly. We do appreciate your great work ;-) Have fun ;-) Jean - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) 2000-11-10 19:56 ` The IrDA patches !!! (was Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status) Linus Torvalds 2000-11-10 21:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes @ 2000-11-11 12:04 ` Horst von Brand 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Horst von Brand @ 2000-11-11 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com> said: > On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > > > > I spent my full day going through my archives and splitting > > the big patch of Dag into lots of small patches (see attached). I'm > > glad I've got a big hard drive full of junk. > > When I say multiple mails, I mean multiple mails. NOT "26 attachements in > one mail". In fact, not a single attachment at all, please. Send me > patches as a regular text body, with the explanation at the top, and the > patch just appended. > > Why? > > [Nice explanation snipped] How about placing this (slightly edited, and with some other stuff thrown in perhaps?) in a SUBMITTING-PATCHES file in the top of the kernel sources, so nobody can overlook it? -- Horst von Brand vonbrand@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl Casilla 9G, Vin~a del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 5:08 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Michael Rothwell 2000-11-08 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-08 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds 2000-11-08 8:14 ` Russell King ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-08 7:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Rothwell; +Cc: jt, Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Michael Rothwell wrote: > > Like what? I'm not sure what you're saying here. It seems that the pople > writing the IrDA code have gotten no feedback from you as to why their > patch is never accepted -- could you clarify? Just to clarify. The ONLY message from the IrDA people I've gotten during the last few weeks has been a SINGLE email from Dag Brattli, with a 330kB patch. The whole, full, unabridged explanation for those 330kB of patches: >> Hello Linus, >> >> Here is the latest IrDA patch for Linux-2.4.0-test10. >> >> Short summary: >> >> o Fixes IrDA in 2.4 >> o Touches _no_ other files. >> >> Please apply! >> >> Best regards >> >> Dag Brattli That's it. ONE message during the last month. ONE huge patch. From people who should have known about 2.4.x being pending for some time. 10,000+ lines of diff, with _no_ effort to split it up, or explain it with anything but "o Fixes IrDA in 2.4" and these people expect me to reply, sending long explanations of why I don't like them? After they did nothing of the sort for the code they claim should have been applied? Nada. Get a grip. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 7:26 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Linus Torvalds @ 2000-11-08 8:14 ` Russell King 2000-11-08 12:15 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status, " Dag Brattli 2000-11-08 12:31 ` Michael Rothwell 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Russell King @ 2000-11-08 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Michael Rothwell, jt, Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli Linus Torvalds writes: > ONE message during the last month. ONE huge patch. From people who should > have known about 2.4.x being pending for some time. > > 10,000+ lines of diff, with _no_ effort to split it up, or explain it with > anything but > > "o Fixes IrDA in 2.4" > > and these people expect me to reply, sending long explanations of why I > don't like them? After they did nothing of the sort for the code they > claim should have been applied? Nada. > > Get a grip. Linus, You know full well that I have sent you *small* self-contained obviously correct patches since 2.4.0-test2 onwards. Why haven't these been applied when the only argument against it is "ONE huge patch"? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@arm.linux.org.uk --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status, Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 7:26 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Linus Torvalds 2000-11-08 8:14 ` Russell King @ 2000-11-08 12:15 ` Dag Brattli 2000-11-10 21:24 ` Pavel Machek 2000-11-08 12:31 ` Michael Rothwell 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Dag Brattli @ 2000-11-08 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: torvalds; +Cc: jt, linux-kernel, alan [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3611 bytes --] Hi Linus, I agree that the latest patch wasn't good about specifying its contents. But in fact, the 26th of august I sent you a mail which was much better (but then your mailbox crashed or something!?) Since you hadn't applied any previoius patches (and not even the patches from Russell), I felt that you wasn't to interested about IrDA (even if Transmeta is a member of IrDA these days ;-) or didn't have time to look thru them. So that's the reason for the very short description. I'm sorry about that! I've watched the ISDN discussion a year ago, so I already knew what you felt about such large patches. The truth is that I've been very busy with my new job, and haven't had much time to maintain the Linux-IrDA project, so those large patches was the best I could do, and it's correct that I haven't actually flooded you with patches the last 6 months. But we should anyway discuss what to do with IrDA support in Linux 2.4. The state of the current IrDA code in 2.4 is very bad and probably not working at all. The latest patch may have some bad code as well but at least things are working (and Linux isn't the OS which is best known for it's beautiful code anyway). It will eventually be fixed, once people start complaining! Some options: 1) Split up the large patch and fix the things you didn't like, submit them with better discription. But then It's probably to late anyway for 2.4 (even if the 2.4-test series is not the most stable stuff I've tried). Is it to late for this? 2) Remove IrDA from the kernel, and we'll go back to using CVS and make our own package (like PCMCIA and IrDA was before they got into the kernel. At least PCMCIA used to work back then ;-) 3) Just apply the stuff!?! Look at Jean's mail for description of the changes. -- Dag On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:26:34 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Michael Rothwell wrote: > > > > Like what? I'm not sure what you're saying here. It seems that the pople > > writing the IrDA code have gotten no feedback from you as to why their > > patch is never accepted -- could you clarify? > > Just to clarify. > > The ONLY message from the IrDA people I've gotten during the last few > weeks has been a SINGLE email from Dag Brattli, with a 330kB patch. > > The whole, full, unabridged explanation for those 330kB of patches: > > >> Hello Linus, > >> > >> Here is the latest IrDA patch for Linux-2.4.0-test10. > >> > >> Short summary: > >> > >> o Fixes IrDA in 2.4 > >> o Touches _no_ other files. > >> > >> Please apply! > >> > >> Best regards > >> > >> Dag Brattli > > That's it. > > ONE message during the last month. ONE huge patch. From people who should > have known about 2.4.x being pending for some time. > > 10,000+ lines of diff, with _no_ effort to split it up, or explain it with > anything but > > "o Fixes IrDA in 2.4" > > and these people expect me to reply, sending long explanations of why I > don't like them? After they did nothing of the sort for the code they > claim should have been applied? Nada. > > Get a grip. > > Linus > > > ---- Dag Brattli, Mail: dagb@fast.no Senior Systems Engineer Web: http://www.fast.no/ Fast Search & Transfer ASA Phone: +47 776 96 688 P.O. Box 1126 Fax: +47 776 96 689 NO-9261 Tromsø, NORWAY Cell: +47 924 05 388 Try FAST Search: http://www.alltheweb.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 12:15 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status, " Dag Brattli @ 2000-11-10 21:24 ` Pavel Machek 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2000-11-10 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dag Brattli; +Cc: jt, linux-kernel, alan Hi! > Some options: > > 1) Split up the large patch and fix the things you didn't like, submit them > with better discription. But then It's probably to late anyway for 2.4 (even if > the 2.4-test series is not the most stable stuff I've tried). Is it > to late for this? Probably not. Get tytso to agree that broken IrDA is critical bug, split patches, and see them accepted. > 2) Remove IrDA from the kernel, and we'll go back to using CVS and > make our own package (like PCMCIA and IrDA was before they got > into the kernel. At least PCMCIA used to work back then ;-) Do not do that, please. > 3) Just apply the stuff!?! Look at Jean's mail for description of > the changes. Pavel -- I'm pavel@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care." Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss@linmodems.org - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [RANT] Linux-IrDA status 2000-11-08 7:26 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status Linus Torvalds 2000-11-08 8:14 ` Russell King 2000-11-08 12:15 ` [RANT] Linux-IrDA status, " Dag Brattli @ 2000-11-08 12:31 ` Michael Rothwell 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Michael Rothwell @ 2000-11-08 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: jt, Kernel Mailing List, Alan Cox, Dag Brattli Linus Torvalds wrote: > and these people expect me to reply, sending long explanations of why I > don't like them? After they did nothing of the sort for the code they > claim should have been applied? Nada. Did you say that to them? I'm not saying you're wrong; but did you tell them that? It might make your life easier if you make a faq on "how to get your code accepted" and another on "how to get your code rejected." Then you could send people off to read those, and maybe even site a "violates #6" or whatever. > Get a grip. Help a little. -M - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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