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From: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: acahalan@cs.uml.edu (Albert D. Cahalan)
Cc: aeb@veritas.com (Andries Brouwer), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0"
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:57:57 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200011272257.eARMvw302186@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200011272033.eARKXgr497038@saturn.cs.uml.edu> from "Albert D. Cahalan" at Nov 27, 2000 03:33:42 PM

Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> It is too late to fix things now. It would have been good to
> have the compiler put explicitly zeroed data in a segment that
> isn't shared with non-zero or uninitialized data, so that the
> uninitialized data could be set to 0xfff00fff to catch bugs.
> It would take much effort over many years to make that work.

Oh dear, here's that misconception again.

static int a;

isn't a bug.  It is not "uninitialised data".  It is defined to be
zero.  Setting the BSS of any C program to contain non-zero data will
break it.  Fact.  The only bug you'll find is the fact that you're
breaking the C standard.

There is only two places where you come across uninitialised data:

1. memory obtained from outside text, data, bss limit of the program
   (ie, malloced memory)
2. if you use auto variables which may be allocated on the stack

All variables declared at top-level are initialised.  No questions
asked.  And its not a bug to rely on such a fact.
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-27 23:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-25 20:19 [PATCH] removal of "static foo = 0" Andries Brouwer
2000-11-25 21:07 ` Russell King
2000-11-25 21:29   ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26  1:19     ` Russell King
2000-11-25 22:11 ` Herbert Xu
2000-11-25 22:46   ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-25 22:53     ` James A Sutherland
2000-11-25 23:55       ` Tim Waugh
2000-11-26  3:10         ` James A Sutherland
2000-11-26 10:37         ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26 14:52           ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-28  0:01           ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-27  4:00         ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-25 23:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-26  2:08       ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26  9:22         ` Martin Mares
2000-11-25 23:33     ` Herbert Xu
2000-11-27 10:03     ` Helge Hafting
2000-11-27 20:33     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-27 22:57       ` Russell King [this message]
2000-11-29  1:46         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-29  3:21           ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-29  7:25           ` Russell King
2000-11-25 22:27 ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26  1:32   ` Andries Brouwer
2000-11-26  6:21     ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-26  2:11   ` Georg Nikodym
2000-11-26  4:25     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-26  5:01       ` John Alvord
2000-11-26  5:10         ` Andre Hedrick
2000-11-26  6:22           ` Keith Owens
2000-11-26  6:28             ` Andre Hedrick
2000-11-26 10:43         ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-26 10:52         ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-24  7:47           ` Pavel Machek
2000-11-26 14:32           ` bert hubert
2000-11-26 10:52         ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-26 14:13       ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-26 20:47       ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-27 21:12         ` Kai Henningsen
2000-11-26 15:19     ` Georg Nikodym
2000-11-26 15:15 Adam J. Richter
2000-11-26 17:53 Elmer Joandi
2000-11-26 18:36 ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-26 19:11   ` Elmer Joandi
2000-11-26 22:49 ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-27  8:41 Werner Almesberger
2000-11-27  5:56 ` Adam J. Richter
2000-11-27  8:39   ` David S. Miller
2000-11-27  9:08     ` Werner Almesberger
2000-11-27 17:21     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-27 17:36       ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-27 19:06         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-27 19:34           ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-28  0:28             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 11:25               ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-27 21:27         ` Marcus Sundberg
2000-11-28  3:10         ` kumon
2000-11-28  3:28           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28  3:35             ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-28  4:15               ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-28  9:55               ` Andreas Schwab
2000-11-28 15:16                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 16:09                   ` Andreas Schwab
2000-11-28 19:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-28 16:44                   ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-27 18:11       ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-27 18:01 ` Michael Meissner

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