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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	James Simmons <jsimmons@transvirtual.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: handling network using filesystem [was Re: no ioctls for serial ports?]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:17:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010520131730.D10924@bug.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010519211717.A7961@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105191958090.7162-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105191958090.7162-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>; from Alexander Viro on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 08:01:32PM -0400

Hi!

> > I thought about how to do networking without sockets, and it seems to
> > me like this kind of modify syscall is needed, because network sockets
> > connect to *two* different places (one local address and one
> > remote). Sockets are really nasty :-(.
> 
> Pavel, take a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/3/ip

Looks nice, and it seems they are even able to run BSD socket
emulation over that. Wow.

However, it is still mid-ugly:

       Opening  the  clone  file reserves a connection.  The file
       descriptor returned from the open(2)  will  point  to  the
       control  file,  ctl,  of  the  newly allocated connection.
       Reading ctl returns a text string representing the  number
       of the connection.  Connections may be used either to lis­
       ten for incoming calls  or  to  initiate  calls  to  other
       machines.

So, you open "clone". That creates directory for you. You can get its
number by reading from "clone" file.

That's pretty strange, agreed?
								Pavel
-- 
I'm pavel@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss@linmodems.org

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-20 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 316+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-14 19:19 LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43             ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55           ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24             ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15  6:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:57               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  9:26                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:49                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:51                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18                                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  8:29                                 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46                               ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58                                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16  8:51                                     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19  8:18                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 20:40                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 20:03                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:43                                         ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49                                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-16  7:05                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:11                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:43                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  9:45                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-16  0:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:34                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16  1:51                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 11:34                                         ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30                                           ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-16  7:17                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:14                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:01                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:04                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-19 10:23                                         ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:00                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:17                                             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:35                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:43                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:31                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-19 23:57                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  7:18                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20  7:41                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  8:30                                                       ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumberRegistrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 10:09                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  0:01                                               ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants] Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 11:17                                                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-05-20  9:53                                               ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Kai Henningsen
2001-05-20 13:40                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 14:27                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-20 14:30                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNum Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 14:45                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:00                                                       ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 15:18                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:40                                                           ` Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-20 16:01                                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:26                                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-05-20 15:42                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 17:45                                                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:14                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 18:37                                                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 18:49                                                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 19:08                                                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22  5:56                                                   ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Num Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 20:11                                             ` no ioctls for serial ports? [was Re: LANANA: To Pending DeviceNumber Registrants] Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-15 20:57                                   ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants James Simmons
2001-05-17 20:33                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59                                 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22                               ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:24                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:21                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:54                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11                                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21                                       ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06                               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 23:51                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17  0:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  1:35                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17  9:33                                 ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42                       ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07                             ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39                         ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15  9:28                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:36                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26                                       ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14                                         ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03                                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51                                       ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35                                       ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16  0:56                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  2:31                                         ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16  6:56                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  8:02                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 12:20                                           ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16 14:37                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24                                             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:24                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  0:21                                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  7:57                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26                                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:43                                             ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18                                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  1:26                                           ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04                                       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-18  2:18                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:36                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20  9:37                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 14:16                                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:54                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 15:57                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19  8:42                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:23                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:33                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:25                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52                               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02                             ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:00                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16  3:25                   ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51               ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09           ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 21:11           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  0:33               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16  9:04                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  4:20                             ` God
2001-05-15  7:48                             ` 2.4 " bert hubert
2001-05-15  8:54                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:09                                 ` bert hubert
2001-05-14 23:39                           ` LANANA: " Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 23:18                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15  5:56                         ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15  5:59                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11                         ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  1:10                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-15  4:12                 ` LANANA: Getting out of hand? God
2001-05-15  4:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:24                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15  8:48                     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:16                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-14 23:01               ` Interrupted sound with 2.4.4-ac6 Hermann Himmelbauer
2001-05-14 23:34           ` LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14   ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff
     [not found] <7146.1033580256@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-03  0:36 ` [PATCH] AFS filesystem for Linux (2/2) Linus Torvalds
2002-10-03  9:05   ` David Howells
2002-10-03 16:53     ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 17:45       ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-03 21:46       ` David Howells
2002-10-04  8:13       ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <15381.1033681790@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
2002-10-04 14:02         ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 14:40           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:35             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 15:53               ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 15:56                 ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:03                   ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 16:17                     ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:04                       ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-04 17:29                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:14                         ` David Howells
2002-10-07 14:54                           ` Trond Myklebust
2002-10-07 15:36                             ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:30               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-04 15:34           ` David Howells
2002-10-04 16:07             ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-04 16:56               ` David Howells
2002-10-04 17:36                 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07  9:14                   ` David Howells
2002-10-06 16:49     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-10-07  9:16       ` David Howells
2002-10-04 14:11   ` [patch] [kkern] " Patrick Audley

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