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From: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:00:04 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020918120004.A13778@hq.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209181939150.24891-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from mingo@elte.hu on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 07:54:53PM +0200

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 07:54:53PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> or a phone line server that handles 100 thousand phone lines starts up
> 100K threads, one per line. No need to restart any of those threads, and
> in fact it will never happen. They do use helper threads to do less timing
> critical stuff. Now the whole phone system locks up for 1.5 minutes every
> 2 weeks or 2 months when the PID range overflows, how great. Now make that
> 400 thousand phonelines, the lockup will will last 24 minutes.

So Solaris made a stupid design decision to encourage people to use a
thread per call on these big systems and Linux should make the same
decision for compatibility?

I can see why people want this: they have huge ugly systems that they would
like to port to Linux with as little effort as possible. But it's not
free for the OS either. 

It's interesting to see that as Linux moves into the phone space owned by
Sun, two things are happening. (1)There is pressure to expand Linux to simply
match Solaris properties and (2) the entire technological and business
basis of those huge 100K+ thread racks is beginning to collapse.


---------------------------------------------------------
Victor Yodaiken 
Finite State Machine Labs: The RTLinux Company.
 www.fsmlabs.com  www.rtlinux.com


  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-18 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-17 23:06 [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18  0:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18  1:27   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-18  2:22     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 10:11   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 14:28     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 12:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 12:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:28     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:27       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 19:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 20:11         ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 20:29           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 21:15             ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-19  3:05               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 13:11                 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 12:56                   ` quadratic behaviour Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 17:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-21 17:35                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-21 17:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-21 17:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 14:49   ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 15:01     ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 15:31         ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 15:35         ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:37       ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 15:50       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 18:31     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:32     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 21:46         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-18 16:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:45       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:47               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:50               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 18:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 19:27           ` Martin Mares
2002-09-17 15:31             ` Pavel Machek
2002-09-19 20:07             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-18 16:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:00         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:35             ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 17:43               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:48               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 17:57                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:08                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 18:28                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 18:51                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:56                           ` interruptible_sleep_on_timeout() and signals Imran Badr
2002-09-19  7:16                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-18 19:53                       ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-22  0:34                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-22 10:02                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22 15:27                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-18 18:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:58                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:00               ` yodaiken [this message]
2002-09-18 18:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                   ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 16:55     ` Alan Cox

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