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From: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:11:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020918201134.GC14629@win.tue.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209182038400.26337-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 09:00:37PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> If you think you can outrun this O(N^2) algorithm

Last month or so I already showed how to make it O(N log N).
(Also without any new data structures.)
But there is no hurry. The constant in your O(N^2) is very
small, since in reality it is better than O(N^2 / pid_max).

Really, now that pid_max is large, there is no problem with get_pid.

Much more interesting is thinking about for_each_task.

In a number of places we search for all tasks with a certain property.
It would be nice to arrange things in such a way that these
are found in some efficient way so that not the entire task list
is searched.

For ordinary Unix semantics we need to be able to find all tasks
with a given p->pgrp or p->session or p->pid or p->uid or p->tty.
Some kernel routines come with a given pointer tsk and want p == tsk.
Some places need p->mm or p->mm->context or CTX_HWBITS(p->mm->context)

In procfs we have a very quadratic algorithm in proc_pid_readdir()/
get_pid_list(). Not a potential hiccup after 2^30 processes that some
may want to smoothe, but every single "ls /proc" or "ps".
What shall we do with /proc for all these people with 10^5 processes?

Andries





  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-18 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-17 23:06 [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18  0:22 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18  1:27   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-18  2:22     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 10:11   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 14:28     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 12:32 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 12:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:17     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:28     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:27       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 19:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 20:11         ` Andries Brouwer [this message]
2002-09-18 20:29           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 21:15             ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-19  3:05               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 13:11                 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 12:56                   ` quadratic behaviour Andries Brouwer
2002-09-21 17:06                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-21 17:35                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-21 17:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-21 17:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 14:49   ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 15:01     ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 15:31         ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 15:35         ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 15:37       ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 15:50       ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 18:31     ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-18 18:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 16:32     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 21:46         ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-18 16:41     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 16:45       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 16:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:47               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 17:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:50               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-09-18 18:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-19 19:27           ` Martin Mares
2002-09-17 15:31             ` Pavel Machek
2002-09-19 20:07             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-18 16:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 16:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:00         ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 17:35             ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 17:43               ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-18 17:48               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 17:57                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:08                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-18 18:28                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 18:51                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:56                           ` interruptible_sleep_on_timeout() and signals Imran Badr
2002-09-19  7:16                             ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-18 19:53                       ` [patch] lockless, scalable get_pid(), for_each_process() elimination, 2.5.35-BK Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-22  0:34                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-22 10:02                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-22 15:27                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-09-18 18:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:58                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-18 18:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Alan Cox
2002-09-18 17:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:00               ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 18:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-18 18:33                   ` yodaiken
2002-09-18 16:55     ` Alan Cox

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