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From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, davem@redhat.com, kronos@kronoz.cjb.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Migrating net/sched to new module interface
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:04:23 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030217140423.N2092@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302151816550.1336-100000@serv>; from zippel@linux-m68k.org on Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:20:24AM +0100

Roman Zippel wrote:
> Let's stay at the main problem, we have find out when it's safe to delete 
> an object. For dynamic objects you have the following options:
[...]
> Static objects and functions are freed by the module code and usually we
[...]

Okay so far.

> If we exclude the possibly-wait-forever-option, do you see the problem 
> for dynamic objects which also contain references to static data/
> functions?

You mean that two locking mechanisms are used, where one of them
shouldn't be doing all that much ? Well, yes.

Now, is this a problem, or just a symptom ? I'd say it's a symptom:
we already have a perfectly good locking/synchronization method,
and that's through the register/unregister interface, so the
module-specific part is unnecessary.

That much about the theory. Of course, in real life, we have to
face a few more problems:

 - if callbacks can happen after apparently successful "unregister",
   we die
 - if accesses to other static data owned by a module can happen
   after apparently successful "unregister", we may die
 - if a module doesn't "unregister" at all, we die too

But all these problems equally affect code that does other things
that can break a callback/access, e.g. if we destroy *de->data
immediately after remove_proc_entry returns.

So this is not a module-specific problem.

Agreed ?

- Werner

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-17 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-02 22:50 [RFC] Migrating net/sched to new module interface Kronos
2003-01-03  5:10 ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-03  8:37   ` David S. Miller
2003-01-04  6:09     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-04 16:21       ` Kronos
2003-01-13 22:32   ` kuznet
2003-01-13 23:23     ` Max Krasnyansky
2003-01-14 17:49     ` Kronos
2003-01-15  0:21       ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-15  1:19         ` kuznet
2003-01-15  7:31           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-15  8:16             ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-15  9:33               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  1:12                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-16  2:42                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  3:31                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-16  4:20                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  4:25                       ` David S. Miller
2003-01-16  4:49                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 16:05                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-16 18:15                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-16 18:58                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 23:53                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-17  1:04                           ` Greg KH
2003-01-17  2:27                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-17 21:40                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-13 23:16                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14  1:57                         ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-14  3:44                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 11:16                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 12:04                             ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-14 12:49                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17  1:59                                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-17 10:53                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17 23:31                                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-18 12:26                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 13:21                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 13:53                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 14:24                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 18:30                                     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 20:09                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-15  0:12                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-15  0:51                                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-15  2:28                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-15 23:20                                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17 17:04                                                 ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2003-02-17 23:09                                                   ` [RFC] Is an alternative module interface needed/possible? Roman Zippel
2003-02-18  1:18                                                     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18  4:54                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-18  7:20                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18 12:06                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-18 14:12                                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18 12:45                                                               ` Thomas Molina
2003-02-18 17:22                                                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19  3:30                                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-19  4:11                                                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19 23:38                                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-20  9:46                                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20  0:40                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20  2:17                                                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-23 16:02                                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-26 23:26                                                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-27 12:34                                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-27 13:20                                                                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-27 14:33                                                                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-23 23:34                                                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2003-02-24 12:14                                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-18 12:35                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-18 14:14                                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19  1:48                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-19  2:27                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 13:44                   ` [RFC] Migrating net/sched to new module interface Roman Zippel
2003-01-15 17:04               ` Roman Zippel

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