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From: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	<davem@redhat.com>, <kronos@kronoz.cjb.net>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Is an alternative module interface needed/possible?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:06:36 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302181252570.1336-100000@serv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030218042042.R2092@almesberger.net>

Hi,

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Werner Almesberger wrote:

> I don't think we'll make much progress if we keep on mixing issues
> of interface correctness, current module constraints, and possible
> module interface changes, all that with performance considerations
> and minimum invasive migration plans thrown in. So I'd suggest the
> following sequence:
> 
>  1) do we agree that the current registration/deregistration
>     interfaces are potential hazards for their users, be they
>     modules or not ?
>  2) one we agree with this, we can look for mechanisms that
>     solve this, again for general users, which may or may not
>     be modules
>  3) last but not least, we can look at what this means for
>     modules (and that's where beautiful tools like
>     "module_put_return" (thanks !), or also ideas about
>     module_exit redesign have their place)
>  4) "the root of all evil ...". Okay, and now to which level
>     of hell would all this shoot our performance ? (And back
>     we go to step 2.)

Basically I can agree with this, although I'd like to avoid that we 
iterate too much over these steps, as it would too easily divert the 
discussion to other things, so I'd rather take smaller steps and keep the 
scope a bit broader.
Another point is the perfomance, which is not that important right now. 
I'm more interested in the general complexity, it's simply easier to 
optimize a simple design than a very complex design.

bye, Roman


  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-18 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-02 22:50 [RFC] Migrating net/sched to new module interface Kronos
2003-01-03  5:10 ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-03  8:37   ` David S. Miller
2003-01-04  6:09     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-04 16:21       ` Kronos
2003-01-13 22:32   ` kuznet
2003-01-13 23:23     ` Max Krasnyansky
2003-01-14 17:49     ` Kronos
2003-01-15  0:21       ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-15  1:19         ` kuznet
2003-01-15  7:31           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-15  8:16             ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-15  9:33               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  1:12                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-16  2:42                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  3:31                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-16  4:20                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16  4:25                       ` David S. Miller
2003-01-16  4:49                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 16:05                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-16 18:15                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-16 18:58                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 23:53                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-17  1:04                           ` Greg KH
2003-01-17  2:27                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-01-17 21:40                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-13 23:16                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14  1:57                         ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-14  3:44                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 11:16                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 12:04                             ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-14 12:49                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17  1:59                                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-17 10:53                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17 23:31                                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-18 12:26                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 13:21                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 13:53                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 14:24                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-14 18:30                                     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-14 20:09                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-15  0:12                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-15  0:51                                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-15  2:28                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-15 23:20                                               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-17 17:04                                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-17 23:09                                                   ` [RFC] Is an alternative module interface needed/possible? Roman Zippel
2003-02-18  1:18                                                     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18  4:54                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-18  7:20                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18 12:06                                                           ` Roman Zippel [this message]
2003-02-18 14:12                                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-18 12:45                                                               ` Thomas Molina
2003-02-18 17:22                                                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19  3:30                                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-19  4:11                                                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19 23:38                                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-02-20  9:46                                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20  0:40                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20  2:17                                                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-23 16:02                                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-26 23:26                                                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-27 12:34                                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-27 13:20                                                                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-27 14:33                                                                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-23 23:34                                                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2003-02-24 12:14                                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-18 12:35                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-18 14:14                                                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-19  1:48                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-19  2:27                                                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-16 13:44                   ` [RFC] Migrating net/sched to new module interface Roman Zippel
2003-01-15 17:04               ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20 12:09 [RFC] Is an alternative module interface needed/possible? Adam J. Richter
2003-02-20 12:46 ` Roman Zippel
2003-02-20 13:51 Adam J. Richter
2003-02-20 14:06 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-20 15:38 ` Roman Zippel

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