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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: andrea@suse.de
Cc: akpm@digeo.com, davidsen@tmr.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com,
	habanero@us.ibm.com, mbligh@aracnet.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: userspace irq balancer
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030526.174841.116378513.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030527004115.GD3767@dualathlon.random>

   From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
   Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 02:41:15 +0200

   In 2.4 normally the softirq (of course w/o NAPI) are
   served in irq context so we didn't face this yet.
   
Andrea, whether ksoftirqd processes the softirq work or not has
nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

It is all about what does a hardware IRQ mean in terms of work
processed.  And it can mean anything from 1 to 1000 packets worth
of work.

Therefore, any usage of hardware IRQ activity to determine "load" in
any sense is totally inaccurate.

So I'm asking you, again, how are you going to measure softirq load in
making hardware IRQ load balancing decisions?  Watching the scheduling
and running of ksoftirqd is not an answer.  Networking hardware
interrupts, with a simplistic and mindless algorithm like the one we
have currently in the 2.5.x IRQ balancing code, appear to be
contributing very little to "load" and that is wrong.

   But it doesn't change my basic argument about this topic, that there's
   no way in userspace to do anything remotely as accurate as that to boost
   system performance to the maximum, especially on big systems.

You show that the measurements and reactions belong there.  This I
totally understand.  This is how cpufreq is implemented in 2.5.x
currently.  It is a very similar situation.

But deciding how to intepret these measurements and what to do in
response is a userlevel policy decision.  This also coincides with
how cpufreq works.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-27  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-21 21:43 userspace irq balancer Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-22  0:29 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-22  1:28   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-22  1:44     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-22  2:03       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22  2:04   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22  2:12     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-22  3:57     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-22 17:24       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-05-22 22:44         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26 22:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-26 23:26             ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26 23:34               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-26 23:43                 ` David S. Miller
     [not found]                   ` <20030527000639.GA3767@dualathlon.random>
2003-05-27  0:15                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  0:41                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  0:48                         ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-05-27  1:09                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:13                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:26                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  6:11                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27 11:53                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27 22:04                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27 22:27                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27 23:55                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13  6:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 18:23                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:16                             ` Dave Jones
2003-05-27  1:17                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  9:07                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-27  9:10                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:28                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:53                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  1:59                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-27  2:10                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:15                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-27  2:44                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:45                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-27  4:22                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:15                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  2:14                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  2:26                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  1:17                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:20                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-22 14:18     ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-22 14:43       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22 15:30         ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-22 15:45           ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-24  1:10 Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-21 16:31 James Bottomley
2003-05-21 20:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-20 15:41 Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-21 13:54 ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-21 22:56   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
     [not found] <200305191314.06216.pbadari@us.ibm.com>
2003-05-19 22:07 ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-19 22:11   ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 22:22     ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  3:25       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  3:46         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-20  5:03           ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  5:53             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-20  6:13               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  6:36                 ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  6:40                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 14:07                     ` Andrew Theurer
2003-05-20 14:21                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-20 14:35                         ` Andrew Theurer
     [not found]                       ` <20030520.163833.104040023.davem@redhat.com>
2003-05-21 14:58                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-21 22:55                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-21 11:00                     ` Kai Bankett
2003-05-20 14:01                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-20  9:00             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-20  9:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-20  9:17               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20030520.172230.102567463.davem@redhat.com>
2003-05-21 14:27                   ` James Cleverdon

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