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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: akpm@digeo.com, davidsen@tmr.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com,
	habanero@us.ibm.com, mbligh@aracnet.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: userspace irq balancer
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:53:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030527115314.GU3767@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030526.231120.26504389.davem@redhat.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 11:11:20PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
>    From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
>    Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:26:17 +0200
>    
>    I argue with that, NAPI needs to poll somehow, either you hook into the
>    kernel slowing down every single schedule, or you need to offload this
>    work to a kernel thread.
> 
> You've never shown what this "offloading work to a kernel thread"
> actually accomplishes.

in case it wasn't obvious (that is the whole point of ksoftirqd) what
accomplishes in a single word is "fairness" and "not starving userspace
during networking".

> What I've seen it do is decrease the amount of total softirq work that
> cpu can get done.  And avoiding ksoftirqd actually running makes
> performance get better.

sure, as far as you don't care about anything but the network load. I
mean, if you can't care less of the userspae progress and you don't want
the usual scheduler fariness guarantees, then you can hack the kernel
and replace the ksoftirqd with an infinite loop and networking will
certainly perform better since it will be able to stall indefinitely all
userspace computations in favour of pure irq driven networking I/O
running all in irq context and never ending.

I really thought this was obvious to everybody, otherwise there would be
no point for ksoftirqd at all if you can't care less to hang userspace
indefinitely.

Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-27 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-21 21:43 userspace irq balancer Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-22  0:29 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-22  1:28   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-22  1:44     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-22  2:03       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22  2:04   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22  2:12     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-22  3:57     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-22 17:24       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-05-22 22:44         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26 22:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-26 23:26             ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26 23:34               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-26 23:43                 ` David S. Miller
     [not found]                   ` <20030527000639.GA3767@dualathlon.random>
2003-05-27  0:15                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  0:41                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  0:48                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:09                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:13                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:26                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  6:11                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27 11:53                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2003-05-27 22:04                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27 22:27                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27 23:55                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13  6:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 18:23                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:16                             ` Dave Jones
2003-05-27  1:17                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  9:07                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-27  9:10                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:28                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:53                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  1:59                             ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-27  2:10                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:15                                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-27  2:44                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:45                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-05-27  4:22                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  2:15                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  2:14                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  2:26                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-27  1:17                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-27  1:20                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-27  1:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-05-22 14:18     ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-22 14:43       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-22 15:30         ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-22 15:45           ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-24  1:10 Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-21 16:31 James Bottomley
2003-05-21 20:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-20 15:41 Nakajima, Jun
2003-05-21 13:54 ` James Cleverdon
2003-05-21 22:56   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
     [not found] <200305191314.06216.pbadari@us.ibm.com>
2003-05-19 22:07 ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-19 22:11   ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-19 22:22     ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  3:25       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  3:46         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-20  5:03           ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  5:53             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-20  6:13               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  6:36                 ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-20  6:40                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 14:07                     ` Andrew Theurer
2003-05-20 14:21                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-20 14:35                         ` Andrew Theurer
     [not found]                       ` <20030520.163833.104040023.davem@redhat.com>
2003-05-21 14:58                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-21 22:55                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-21 11:00                     ` Kai Bankett
2003-05-20 14:01                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-05-20  9:00             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-20  9:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-05-20  9:17               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20030520.172230.102567463.davem@redhat.com>
2003-05-21 14:27                   ` James Cleverdon

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