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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:11:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030526181117.GK845@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3ED255FE.10609@pobox.com>

On Mon, May 26 2003, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> >On Mon, May 26 2003, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> >>>What does the block layer need, that it doesn't have now?
> >>
> >>Exactly. I'd _love_ for people to really think about this.
> >
> >
> >In discussion with Jeff, it seems most of what he wants is already
> >there. He just doesn't know it yet :-)
> 
> 
> Another important point is time.
> 
> I continue to agree that a native block driver is the best direction.
> 
> But with 2.6.0 looming, I think it's best to evolve my ATA driver to be 
> a native block driver from a scsi one.   Not start out as a native 
> driver.  That's significant pre-2.6 churn.

I don't think that makes any sense. If you really do find missing
functionality that are candidates to be generic block property, we can
add them.

> Or, it lives out-of-tree until 2.7 and people with SATA hardware have to 
> go out-of-tree for their driver for months and months, until the working 
> driver is deemed sufficiently native :)  In the meantime, distros 
> wanting working SATA will just ship the SCSI driver as-is.  :(

I don't know why you are even worrying about this yet, time will decide
what happens. As it stands right now, I still consider your driver to be
something to play with, not something that should go into the kernel
anytime soon.

Maybe in 6 months time it has evolved to be something really great, we
add it then. Right now you are still in the design stages in some areas.


-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-26 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-26  4:58 [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  5:30   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:36     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  6:01         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 20:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  0:29                 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  6:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27  6:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  6:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  7:29                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  5:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  6:21         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:24             ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 17:54               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 17:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 18:11                 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2003-05-27  0:22       ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  4:15         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 10:32     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26 11:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 11:37         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26  5:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-05-26  6:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-02  9:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-06-02 13:56   ` Alan Cox
2003-05-26 18:12 James Bottomley
2003-05-26 18:18 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 18:47   ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:07     ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 19:17       ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:33         ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 12:39           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:26             ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 17:16               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:09                 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 18:21                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:30                     ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:36           ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:51               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:56               ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:38           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:57               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 21:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 23:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27  0:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  0:49                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27  0:16                   ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  6:54                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:20                     ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 14:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 14:59                       ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:21                         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 15:38                           ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:50                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 16:00                               ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 16:16                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-28  9:35                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-28 10:50                           ` Lincoln Dale
2003-05-27 19:43                       ` Jens Axboe

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